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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Aegeri" data-source="post: 5432140" data-attributes="member: 78116">The irony in this statement is that the most broken builds in 4E are all from the original PHB. Nearly all of them rely on elements from the PHB as well, for example frostcheese for permanent CA and increased damage (due to vulnerable cold). Appropriately, the PHB has suffered the most errata. Does anyone else remember how ridiculous bloodmages were? Did you ever see a Wizard with Archmage literally throw out legion's hold (Close burst 20, stun on a hit, daze on a miss) twice a day? When before 4E was even officially released (but quickly errata'ed) a ranger with Rain of Steel could one shot Orcus almost 90% of the time?I mean if you're worried about Dragon you seriously have to ban the original PHB first. Dragon is actually surprisingly tame power wise, especially compared with original editions. The one and only exception might be Punisher of the Gods. That ED is pretty silly. Then again it has some stiff competition.</blockquote>