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<blockquote data-quote="Xorn" data-source="post: 4144112" data-attributes="member: 61231">I'm only quoting this post because it's the idea I'm responding to, but I'm not looking for a reply from this person necessarily.But what about 4E is putting it into competition with D&amp;D?&nbsp; It sure as hell isn't GameTable/DDI!&nbsp; I mean... EverQuest didn't compete with D&amp;D, Star Wars Galaxies didn't compete with D&amp;D, neither did City of Heroes/Villians, Anarchy Online, Asheron's Call, Planetside (the only FPSRPGMMO lol), Ultima Online, Tabula Rasa, Horizons, Shadowbane, or any other MMOs out there.Hell, Dungeons &amp; Dragons Online didn't compete with D&amp;D.&nbsp; It's only players are hardcore D&amp;D fans!The only way that MMOs compete with tabletop is cost.&nbsp; And if little Johnny has to decide if he's going to spend his $15 on WoW, or the 4E PHB, then it's not MMOs that are getting in the way--it's that little Johnny needs a big boy job, because $15 is his entertainment budget.Yet somehow, 4E is trying to be like an MMO.&nbsp; *sigh*EDIT: Tangent with CleverNickName:I'm totally with you on the ludicrous principle of paying a subscription fee for a VTT (you know exactly what FG can do) but not with fees in general.&nbsp; Even if WoW isn't the game for someone--I have to come back to the idea of how much money would I spend if I wasn't playing WoW?&nbsp; I don't believe I would just sit in a void, so I'm pretty sure in the 90+ hours a month I play WoW, I would have found a way to spend $15 that I don't spend.&nbsp; And the moment I play D&amp;D over GameTable for 90+ hours a month, I'll pay a fee for that too!&nbsp; Wait, no I won't, because I created the content that is entertaining me.The moment WoW forces me to design my own dungeons to run through, I'll stop paying a monthly fee.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />&nbsp; I just think people adamantly opposed to monthly fees should consider how often they play a single player game for 3 months straight.&nbsp; If you don't, WoW was cheaper.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Xorn, post: 4144112, member: 61231"] I'm only quoting this post because it's the idea I'm responding to, but I'm not looking for a reply from this person necessarily. But [i]what[/i] about 4E is putting it into competition with D&D? It sure as hell isn't GameTable/DDI! I mean... EverQuest didn't compete with D&D, Star Wars Galaxies didn't compete with D&D, neither did City of Heroes/Villians, Anarchy Online, Asheron's Call, Planetside (the only FPSRPGMMO lol), Ultima Online, Tabula Rasa, Horizons, Shadowbane, or any other MMOs out there. Hell, Dungeons & Dragons Online didn't compete with D&D. It's only players are hardcore D&D fans! The only way that MMOs compete with tabletop is cost. And if little Johnny has to decide if he's going to spend his $15 on WoW, or the 4E PHB, then it's not MMOs that are getting in the way--it's that little Johnny needs a big boy job, because $15 is his entertainment budget. Yet somehow, 4E is trying to be like an MMO. *sigh* EDIT: Tangent with CleverNickName: I'm totally with you on the ludicrous principle of paying a subscription fee for a VTT (you know exactly what FG can do) but not with fees in general. Even if WoW isn't the game for someone--I have to come back to the idea of how much money would I spend if I wasn't playing WoW? I don't believe I would just sit in a void, so I'm pretty sure in the 90+ hours a month I play WoW, I [i]would have[/i] found a way to spend $15 that I don't spend. And the moment I play D&D over GameTable for 90+ hours a month, I'll pay a fee for that too! Wait, no I won't, because [b]I created the content[/b] that is entertaining me. The moment WoW forces me to design my own dungeons to run through, I'll stop paying a monthly fee. :) I just think people adamantly opposed to monthly fees should consider how often they play a single player game for 3 months straight. If you don't, WoW was cheaper. [/QUOTE]

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