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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dormain1" data-source="post: 4106686" data-attributes="member: 61912">Both of these require attack rolls, you cant push someone unless you can hit themall i was pointing out was that to step out of the way of a charging ogre requires a readied action, the only other mechanic close to this is overrun which gives the defender a chance to dodge, representing the fact that they are not the intended target, but this is not the case with bullrush.I was not saying that the AoO interuppts the bull rush like grapple, but you could easily trip with a weapon and there is only a +4 for size, also you can drop to the floor as a free action and watch the ogre run over you as the str check is likely to result in the ogre moving over the edgeall this depend on how you run combat, if you say that the ogre was bullrushing you of the edge and the DM made his rolls, then the PC said im using my AoO to fall prone what would you adjudicate? does the ogre fall of the edge because nothing was opposing him, does the ogre end his action standing on the prone PC or that the PC cant fall prone because it wasn't an attack.Your example was of a rogue dodging out of the way, i said it was only possible with a readied action, rogues dont get to dodge away from a fighters attack just because they are nimble they have to be ready to dodge.If there is no attack roll then this has got to be the best way of delivering touch spells <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/laugh.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing    :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" /></blockquote>

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