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Message: <blockquote data-quote="vazanar" data-source="post: 4080303" data-attributes="member: 58231">Funny I found it the opposite. I found in 2e  new players could make characters quick with help, but had no clue how to play the game. Heck grapple/overrun were just dm decisions. Most of my group commented on liking 3e cause they understood the system. Everything is a d20 + a number to hit DC. Every group has their own playstyle and way of thinking. Personally I think starting a new player with 8 powers, 2 of which make a standard attack silly will be quite confusing. Combine that with four AC's is a lot to take in. Having said that Im liking 4e for many things, but the new player aspect. (I also have a feeling Ill be stuck being the only DM even more since monsters and players use diffrent rules).Overall I started more anti, but am slowly sliding towards positive with net info. A lot will be decided if WOTC can get their act together with the GSL. (Most games Ive run are in 3rd party worlds Ptolus/Iron Kingdoms or modules Dungeon/Pathfinder).</blockquote>