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Message: <blockquote data-quote="RUMBLETiGER" data-source="post: 6162211" data-attributes="member: 6674868">Without knowing more details, what would the Father being a traitor entail exactly?  Could the patron, instead of agreeing to the pricey demands of the players, approach the father and make some gentleman-like, diplomatic deal?  Would a man of a noble house be able to be reasoned with?How about the patron initially gives into the financial demands of the PCs?  He gives them the money they ask for in exchange for the item, but harbors vengeance for the PC's greed and betrayal.  If the patron has any access to mid-to high level magic, he can either <a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/majorCreation.htm" target="_blank">Major Creation</a> some false gold so it disappears after the exchange, insert some <a href="http://dndtools.eu/spells/complete-adventurer--54/listening-coin--380/" target="_blank">Listening Coin</a> and <a href="http://dndtools.eu/spells/complete-scoundrel--60/spymasters-coin--904/" target="_blank">Spymaster's Coin</a> to track the PC's until they rest for the night and send a team to retrieve the cash or attack for revenge, or set up some good ol' fashioned bandits along the road to jump the PCs as they travel along.  Half a dozen level 5 bandits on the road should be enough to incapacitate the party, steal the gold back and their gear, clothes, what have you.  Than, naked, unarmed and bruised they wake up on the side of the road the next morning.  The patron pulls up in a carriage, having coincedently been traveling along the road the day after the assault, fakes concern and offers to help them get re-established if they're willing to run another quest or two for him.</blockquote>

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