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<blockquote data-quote="Ridley's Cohort" data-source="post: 2341674" data-attributes="member: 545">There is no good reason to attempt to make a strong distinction between what is possible by &quot;magical&quot; means and &quot;mundane&quot; means.&nbsp; Anything with a DC of 25+ looks pretty much impossible to the eye of a normal man anyway.&nbsp; Would you believe tightrope walking was possible if you had never seen it?For all I care, we can say the Rogue's special ability is magical.I would also point out that if the Rogue opens the door 1 millimeter and the trap goes off on the inside, he is usually completely protected because there is no line of effect.&nbsp; What is an open door and what is a closed door is much more ambiguous than you might think.&nbsp; It is possible that spells with triggers are not as cut and dried as a plain reading of the text might suggest.&nbsp; Maybe there is a tickle of warmth when a Firetrap is close to erupting and a skilled enough observer can wave his fingers near the trigger point and draw the right conclusions?&nbsp; Would anyone out there actually want to play a game where the DM and players would have to read excruciatingly detailed spell descriptions that covered this kind of thing?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ridley's Cohort, post: 2341674, member: 545"] There is no good reason to attempt to make a strong distinction between what is possible by "magical" means and "mundane" means. Anything with a DC of 25+ looks pretty much impossible to the eye of a normal man anyway. Would you believe tightrope walking was possible if you had never seen it? For all I care, we can say the Rogue's special ability is magical. I would also point out that if the Rogue opens the door 1 millimeter and the trap goes off on the inside, he is usually completely protected because there is no line of effect. What is an open door and what is a closed door is much more ambiguous than you might think. It is possible that spells with triggers are not as cut and dried as a plain reading of the text might suggest. Maybe there is a tickle of warmth when a Firetrap is close to erupting and a skilled enough observer can wave his fingers near the trigger point and draw the right conclusions? [i]Would anyone out there actually want to play a game where the DM and players would have to read excruciatingly detailed spell descriptions that covered this kind of thing?[/i] [/QUOTE]

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