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<blockquote data-quote="MechaPilot" data-source="post: 6677363" data-attributes="member: 82779"><p>You are correct that he does have power, and realizes that he has power. However, the trucker incident helps to accent my point about collateral damage. Clark vandalized a truck. Doing that probably took a minimum amount of strength on his part, certainly nothing approaching the strength he had to use to fight Zod.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yeah, what can i say. Devastation is an impressive way to get a character's strength across. A lot of people like the devastation porn seen in films like Transformers, San Andreas, Avengers, and MoS. I will agree that the Superman in the clip I posted is a jerk, but only because he is not just stepping into the role of Superman. That rendition of that character had been acting as a superhero for quite a while. Dick move cartoon Clark.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>In the montage where he flies, do recall though that his father (btw, I loved Russell Crowe as Jor-El. I grew up with Brando as Jor-El, so Crow had big shoes to fill and I think he did an adequate job) explicitly talks about pushing his limits, "You've grown stronger here than I ever could have imagined. The only way to know how strong is to keep. . . testing. . . your limits." This holds true to the comics as well, where Clark's strength has really been defined as being limited only by the limitations he places on himself. With every effort that pushes his limits, Clark grows stronger, explores areas of his strength that he didn't know existed before. And that's why I contend that he didn't know the full extent of his strength when fighting Zod, because it was constantly growing during that fight.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>In the heat of the fight with Zod, did he realize those things? Or did he only realize how bad it was when it was over? Even if he had realized he was causing a lot of destruction, having been a superhero for only about a couple days, would it have occurred to him to take the fight outside of the city? If he tried, wouldn't Zod (who was going already going to destroy humanity to revive Krypton) destroy the city anyway? Or, even if Zod wouldn't destroy the city, would he not follow Clark? Would he recognize the weakness and use the time he was given to become stronger in our atmosphere? And how do you answer all those questions when the fate of the world is in the balance while you are being beaten on and thrown through buildings?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>In all fairness, DC has never really tried that many other characters in live-action films. They have had a fair amount of success on live-action T.V. shows lately though (namely Arrow, Flash, & Gotham), and before that Smallville was pretty successful (I think it ran for 10 seasons). Can you recall the last time that DC attempted a live-action superhero film that wasn't Batman or Superman?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>If he is going to disguise his voice, I like the idea of that being his usual Batman voice. That said, I don't have a problem with him not disguising his voice. I enjoyed Keaton's performance, and he didn't really alter his voice.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This is entirely tangential (which is why I didn't devote quote tags to it), but I felt that it needed context. Eastwood's character didn't go off to kill Little Bill until after hearing in detail about how his best (and really only) friend had been murdered for what he did, and he only did that after he got good and drunk to boot.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MechaPilot, post: 6677363, member: 82779"] You are correct that he does have power, and realizes that he has power. However, the trucker incident helps to accent my point about collateral damage. Clark vandalized a truck. Doing that probably took a minimum amount of strength on his part, certainly nothing approaching the strength he had to use to fight Zod. Yeah, what can i say. Devastation is an impressive way to get a character's strength across. A lot of people like the devastation porn seen in films like Transformers, San Andreas, Avengers, and MoS. I will agree that the Superman in the clip I posted is a jerk, but only because he is not just stepping into the role of Superman. That rendition of that character had been acting as a superhero for quite a while. Dick move cartoon Clark. In the montage where he flies, do recall though that his father (btw, I loved Russell Crowe as Jor-El. I grew up with Brando as Jor-El, so Crow had big shoes to fill and I think he did an adequate job) explicitly talks about pushing his limits, "You've grown stronger here than I ever could have imagined. The only way to know how strong is to keep. . . testing. . . your limits." This holds true to the comics as well, where Clark's strength has really been defined as being limited only by the limitations he places on himself. With every effort that pushes his limits, Clark grows stronger, explores areas of his strength that he didn't know existed before. And that's why I contend that he didn't know the full extent of his strength when fighting Zod, because it was constantly growing during that fight. In the heat of the fight with Zod, did he realize those things? Or did he only realize how bad it was when it was over? Even if he had realized he was causing a lot of destruction, having been a superhero for only about a couple days, would it have occurred to him to take the fight outside of the city? If he tried, wouldn't Zod (who was going already going to destroy humanity to revive Krypton) destroy the city anyway? Or, even if Zod wouldn't destroy the city, would he not follow Clark? Would he recognize the weakness and use the time he was given to become stronger in our atmosphere? And how do you answer all those questions when the fate of the world is in the balance while you are being beaten on and thrown through buildings? In all fairness, DC has never really tried that many other characters in live-action films. They have had a fair amount of success on live-action T.V. shows lately though (namely Arrow, Flash, & Gotham), and before that Smallville was pretty successful (I think it ran for 10 seasons). Can you recall the last time that DC attempted a live-action superhero film that wasn't Batman or Superman? If he is going to disguise his voice, I like the idea of that being his usual Batman voice. That said, I don't have a problem with him not disguising his voice. I enjoyed Keaton's performance, and he didn't really alter his voice. This is entirely tangential (which is why I didn't devote quote tags to it), but I felt that it needed context. Eastwood's character didn't go off to kill Little Bill until after hearing in detail about how his best (and really only) friend had been murdered for what he did, and he only did that after he got good and drunk to boot. [/QUOTE]
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