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Message: <blockquote data-quote="jbear" data-source="post: 4858989" data-attributes="member: 75065">Good Advice: Talk to him. Not at the table, having a beer as suggested above. Explain your frustration and see if you can find a middle road. Maybe you can come to a conclusion that the mechanics are as per the rules (Push moves the enemy away independant of size but it doesn't have to be a literal push), but you will invest your creativity describing your action so it makes sense to the DM in terms of logic. 'I drive my sword into the nervy area of the giants ankle causing him to hop back a step in pain' I agree with Obryn that turning Immobilize into Stun is an error. An immobilzed creature can still attack freely. Only the legs don't move. In the water you could still move your arms. Actually it may even be simpler to move in water without using your legs than on solid ground. I can swim without moving  my legs. It's not as easy as when I use my legs so a penalty being imposed on the athletics check would seem very reasonable.  Logically I could drag myself across the floor as well. But then I'm not really immobilsed am I, unless my feet are stuck to the ground. But then how can your feet get stuck to water?  I think there is a call for consistency, if your DM is going to overrule game-mechanics to make a situation more plausible. I don't think he should seiously over-power an effect like immobilize. That can throw the game out of balance.  As a DM I really appreciate player feedback. When I mess up I keep that in mind the next time the situation arrives. Noone is perfect and and the DM is trying to keep a handle on a lot of things at once. I'm not sure what kind of guy your DM is, but hopefully reasonable enough to listen to your explanation of your feelings, especially if you do it calmy and respectfully.</blockquote>

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