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<blockquote data-quote="Herobizkit" data-source="post: 6693655" data-attributes="member: 36150">Okay, from where I see things, it sounds like the players' personal politics have bled into the character alignment and, somehow, one player has taken it personally that the other feels the need to dictate how the world works and take a &quot;I'm right and you're wrong&quot; stance.Based on the argument between &quot;adventurers have the right and the duty to smash evil&quot; and &quot;you can't just murder everyone just because they're evil&quot; is one of those paradigms where two people are expecting different things from the game.I don't know enough about the characters to see where the RP stopped and the personality conflict (re)started, but from my perspective:* it seems that Majoru is from the 'beer and pretzels' side of gaming, where simulationism isn't as important as 'following the bouncing plot' and being dashing heroes whose deeds can shape nations.&nbsp; * it seems that the other player is arguing from a simulationist standpoint, that just because a Church of Tyrrany is in charge doesn't give the characters carte blanche to change things.&nbsp; If said character is not Good, this is actually the 'right' play - he's taking time to consider why it's up to him to change things, or even if said change is necessary, or better than who's currently in power.To put it in TvTropes terms, Majoru appears to believe in &quot;Black and White Morality&quot; while the other player believe in &quot;Grey and Black Morality&quot;.&nbsp; I just can't tell where the character stops and the players' personal politics come in.I also can't help but feel this goes way back to Majoru often using the other player's personal/dating life to negotiate with/manipulate him through his girlfriend, who (I believe?) has some kind of personal history with Majoru.&nbsp; I feel there's bad blood there, and it's not going away.Really, though, is any game worth this much abuse?&nbsp; I would feel that this questions speaks more to Majoru's iron fortitude than the others. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />&nbsp; Sometimes the most mature thing to do is cut your losses and move away from negative or 'net loss' relationships.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Herobizkit, post: 6693655, member: 36150"] Okay, from where I see things, it sounds like the players' personal politics have bled into the character alignment and, somehow, one player has taken it personally that the other feels the need to dictate how the world works and take a "I'm right and you're wrong" stance. Based on the argument between "adventurers have the right and the duty to smash evil" and "you can't just murder everyone just because they're evil" is one of those paradigms where two people are expecting different things from the game. I don't know enough about the characters to see where the RP stopped and the personality conflict (re)started, but from my perspective: * it seems that Majoru is from the 'beer and pretzels' side of gaming, where simulationism isn't as important as 'following the bouncing plot' and being dashing heroes whose deeds can shape nations. * it seems that the other player is arguing from a simulationist standpoint, that just because a Church of Tyrrany is in charge doesn't give the characters carte blanche to change things. If said character is not Good, this is actually the 'right' play - he's taking time to consider why it's up to him to change things, or even if said change is necessary, or better than who's currently in power. To put it in TvTropes terms, Majoru appears to believe in "Black and White Morality" while the other player believe in "Grey and Black Morality". I just can't tell where the character stops and the players' personal politics come in. I also can't help but feel this goes way back to Majoru often using the other player's personal/dating life to negotiate with/manipulate him through his girlfriend, who (I believe?) has some kind of personal history with Majoru. I feel there's bad blood there, and it's not going away. Really, though, is any game worth this much abuse? I would feel that this questions speaks more to Majoru's iron fortitude than the others. :) Sometimes the most mature thing to do is cut your losses and move away from negative or 'net loss' relationships. [/QUOTE]

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