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<blockquote data-quote="cougent" data-source="post: 3865323" data-attributes="member: 48665">I had this as well, it started as 1 in 6 but after a few weeks of trying to tolerate it without lowering the hammer it turned into 2 in 6 and the 2 of the others telling me out of game that they were tired of all the arguing and were going to quit.&nbsp; I asked them to come to one more session, and finally I did lower the hammer.I started the next session with a little speach where I just said there will be no more arguing, or you will be asked to leave.&nbsp; I then held out a pen and asked each person what would happen if I released it.&nbsp; They all said &quot;it will fall&quot; to which I said yes it would *in our world*. however in the D&amp;D world where gods, demons, magic, psionics, outsiders, and all sorts of other mythical things are *real* you have no idea what would happen to that pen... it might fall, it might fly up, it might turn into a bird and fly away, it might turn into a worm and burrow into the ground, it might jus vanish into thin air... you *don't know*, so stop thinking that you know how things have to be and start observing how things are actually happening.&nbsp; There was some other stuff as well, and it took a little reinforcement to make it stick, but years later I still have former players tell me they still remember that &quot;pen thing&quot;.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="cougent, post: 3865323, member: 48665"] I had this as well, it started as 1 in 6 but after a few weeks of trying to tolerate it without lowering the hammer it turned into 2 in 6 and the 2 of the others telling me out of game that they were tired of all the arguing and were going to quit. I asked them to come to one more session, and finally I did lower the hammer. I started the next session with a little speach where I just said there will be no more arguing, or you will be asked to leave. I then held out a pen and asked each person what would happen if I released it. They all said "it will fall" to which I said yes it would *in our world*. however in the D&D world where gods, demons, magic, psionics, outsiders, and all sorts of other mythical things are *real* you have no idea what would happen to that pen... it might fall, it might fly up, it might turn into a bird and fly away, it might turn into a worm and burrow into the ground, it might jus vanish into thin air... you *don't know*, so stop thinking that you know how things have to be and start observing how things are actually happening. There was some other stuff as well, and it took a little reinforcement to make it stick, but years later I still have former players tell me they still remember that "pen thing". [/QUOTE]

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