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<blockquote data-quote="StalkingBlue" data-source="post: 1694487" data-attributes="member: 645">IME CR is a dangerous thing to go by in designing a challenge.&nbsp; What I find is you have to look at is the weak spots in a particular party's / PC's defenses and see whether the particular strength of the foe makes it likely that a PC will be killed in one round (or worse, one hit).&nbsp; That is true whatever the wealth level of the party. The classic example is the MM ogre, an absolute killer for a low-level party but (assuming no class levels) a wet rag to throw at mid-level PCs.&nbsp; If a foe has a nasty melee attack, look at who's likely to get bashed/bit/gored by it and how long they'll stay in the fight once that happens.&nbsp; If the foe has nasty area attacks, death touch attacks etc., look at saves, touch AC etc.&nbsp; Think what it'll mean for the outcome of the fight if a PC you have identified as a likely victim actually goes down.&nbsp; Can the others still win?&nbsp; Can they even run away?&nbsp; Is downing that PC going trigger a domino reaction?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="StalkingBlue, post: 1694487, member: 645"] IME CR is a dangerous thing to go by in designing a challenge. What I find is you have to look at is the weak spots in a particular party's / PC's defenses and see whether the particular strength of the foe makes it likely that a PC will be killed in one round (or worse, one hit). That is true whatever the wealth level of the party. The classic example is the MM ogre, an absolute killer for a low-level party but (assuming no class levels) a wet rag to throw at mid-level PCs. If a foe has a nasty melee attack, look at who's likely to get bashed/bit/gored by it and how long they'll stay in the fight once that happens. If the foe has nasty area attacks, death touch attacks etc., look at saves, touch AC etc. Think what it'll mean for the outcome of the fight if a PC you have identified as a likely victim actually goes down. Can the others still win? Can they even run away? Is downing that PC going trigger a domino reaction? [/QUOTE]

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