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Message: <blockquote data-quote="RangerWickett" data-source="post: 1703865" data-attributes="member: 63">Saev, that's what I meant too.  I just wasn't clear.We need a few options for all the key skills.  At 20th level, if you have 23 ranks, start with a stat of 18 and up it 4 times to get +6, and take Skill Focus, you've got a +32 bonus.  If we want epic stuff to start around 10th level, you've got 13 ranks, a +5 bonus, and Skill Focus for +21, enough to hit DC 30 regularly.I suggest we have synergies improve to +4 if you have 15 ranks.Appraise - Um . . . okay, not the best place to start.  I don't see many heroic things that can come out of this.  Why isn't it a subset of Knowledge?Balance - DC 20 for a tightrope.  DC 35 to walk on water.  DC 50 to walk on air.  Jump can provide a synergy for walking on air.Bluff - Catching someone flat-footed is still pretty cool even at high level.  For rogues, it lets you sneak attack anybody.  Assuming your foe has no ranks of Sense Motive, a 10th level Fighter is usually a DC 20 Bluff check, and a 20th level one is DC 30.  Give the option of making a Bluff check as a free action with a -20 penalty, and we've got the perfect trick for rogues.Climb - Say DC 35 for a perfectly smooth wall, DC 50 for a perfectly smooth ceiling.  Allow people to climb using just their feet with a -20 penalty, and at DC 40 you'll have people fighting while walking on walls.Concentration and Craft?  Hm.  Maybe make a sliding scale for Concentration, so you don't have to make a DC 60 Concentration check to cast your spell when the enemy barbarian power attacks you.  Craft?  *shrug*Decipher Script . . . I think we just need to use language rules that are adapted out of d20 Modern or Call of Cthulhu.  It's not really an epic thing.Diplomacy - Hell, DC 35 is enough to make an enemy friendly if you have a few minutes.  DC 45 can do it as a full-round action.  That's as good as a charm person.  Similar DCs for compulsions and suggestions.Disable Device - I'm not familiar with what epic stuff already exists for this one.Disguise - If alter self gives you a +10 bonus to Disguise checks, why not say that DC 30 can actually change your appearance without make-up.  DC 40 to grow limbs?  DC 50 to change size.Escape Artist - If handcuffs (manacles) are DC 30, then I've seen people who must be 10th level.  Maybe make wriggling through a wall DC 40, and a wall of force would be DC 50.Forgery?Gather Information - DC 40 to read minds?  DC 50 to see the future?Handle Animal - Train an animal in a round, DC 40.  Train a magical beast in a round, DC 45.Heal - This skill ought to give back hit points.  Maybe DC 50 lets you bring someone back from the dead.Hide - Invisibility gives you a +40 bonus to Hide checks.  Thus DC 50 means you're effectively invisible anyway.  Opposed skills like these are actually pretty balanced as is.Intimidate - Should be able to cause fear effects.  Or maybe intimidate should be compulsions, while diplomacy handles charms?Jump - DC 40 lets you jump up 10 ft., or forward 40 ft.  Every +2 DC thereafter doubles the distance.  Well, perhaps that's a bit much, because a 2nd level character (+5 ranks, +4 Run feat, +4 barbarian with base speed 40, +4 Str 18, +3 Skill Focus, +2 synergy from Tumble) can have a +22 Jump check.  A 1st level ex-barbarian/9th level monk can get a +45 bonus to Jump (+13 ranks, +4 Run feat, +3 Skill Focus, +2 Acrobatic feat, +5 Str 20, +2 synergy from Tumble, +16 for base speed 70).  A 1st level ex-barbarian/19th level monk can get +68 (+23 ranks, +4 Run feat, +3 Skill Focus, +2 Acrobatic, +6 Str 22, +2 Tumble synergy, +28 for base speed 100).  That oughta be more than enough to just, like, fly.Knowledge oughta let you identify magic items and tell the future or the past, etc.Listen opposes Move Silently, so it's balanced.Open Lock - Well, I don't really see locks being a big deterrent when you can walk through walls, but oh well.Perform - DC 30 lets you inspire courage (as bard, non-magical), DC 40 inspire greatness, DC 50 . . . I dunno.  What can Michael Jackson do?Profession?Ride - ?  Have you seen extreme skateboarders?  *shrug*Search - See through walls?Sense Motive - Maybe this is read thoughts?Sleight of Hand - Should, if nothing else, grant a bonus to disarm checks.Spellcraft - Fairly well-balanced as is.Spot - Opposes hide, but distances need some revision.Survival - Aragorn in Two Towers.Swim - You should allow a Swim check to help you hold your breath.  They go hand in hand.Tumble - Tumble should have a DC based on the foe's BAB, and if it did, it would scale nicely.Use Magic Device?Use Rope - *laughs*  This is just a silly skill.</blockquote>

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