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<blockquote data-quote="(Psi)SeveredHead" data-source="post: 6221809" data-attributes="member: 1165"><p>Grease is one of those rare spells that have gotten less balanced in Pathfinder. IME, it's used mainly to trip people. Unfortunately, it uses an Acrobatics DC, only 10, but the Acrobatics skill does not autoscale. You can sometimes trip a large number of high-level enemies with a 1st-level spell because of that. Similar issues come up with the various Pit spells, only the starting DCs are very high.</p><p></p><p>Worse, players will always insist Grease is flammable, and given how many edition changes d20 Grease has gone through, it's unacceptable that this question has not been answered within the rules. I wouldn't make it flammable, but if you do so, I'd suggest making it burn up completely within a round, so you don't have characters trapped in a slippery flaming pool.</p><p></p><p>I don't know if you can Grease someone's spell component pouch.</p><p></p><p>How is the DC so high? It never fails to amaze me how high mental stats are in Pathfinder compared to 3.x. For that reason I would never use a high point buy in a Pathfinder game. (Or die-rolled stats. Someone is going to roll an 18.) Frankly a summoner has fewer reasons to crank their high stat (to 20?) than a regular caster.</p><p></p><p>If they're a summoner and not a <em>conjurer</em> it will only get worse. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown :(" data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="(Psi)SeveredHead, post: 6221809, member: 1165"] Grease is one of those rare spells that have gotten less balanced in Pathfinder. IME, it's used mainly to trip people. Unfortunately, it uses an Acrobatics DC, only 10, but the Acrobatics skill does not autoscale. You can sometimes trip a large number of high-level enemies with a 1st-level spell because of that. Similar issues come up with the various Pit spells, only the starting DCs are very high. Worse, players will always insist Grease is flammable, and given how many edition changes d20 Grease has gone through, it's unacceptable that this question has not been answered within the rules. I wouldn't make it flammable, but if you do so, I'd suggest making it burn up completely within a round, so you don't have characters trapped in a slippery flaming pool. I don't know if you can Grease someone's spell component pouch. How is the DC so high? It never fails to amaze me how high mental stats are in Pathfinder compared to 3.x. For that reason I would never use a high point buy in a Pathfinder game. (Or die-rolled stats. Someone is going to roll an 18.) Frankly a summoner has fewer reasons to crank their high stat (to 20?) than a regular caster. If they're a summoner and not a [i]conjurer[/i] it will only get worse. :( [/QUOTE]
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