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Message: <blockquote data-quote="fuindordm" data-source="post: 6789403" data-attributes="member: 5435">If he's really interested in role-playing for its own sake, take him aside and suggest that his quirky lame duck is becoming boring and frustrating.Interesting characters grow.  In a novel, this wizard who is constantly getting her ass kicked would eventually change her tactics or question her motivations. She might form a bond of friendship with the other characters and decide that she has to step up her game, or realize that she is being a liability and leave of her own accord. So my approach would be along the lines of "Look, your PC is getting beat up in every combat. Isn't it about time she wakes up and decides to take charge of her own fate? The story of a brawler who never wins a fight isn't very interesting. The story of a dumb wizard who never learns a lesson isn't interesting.  But everyone would be excited to see her find a way to overcome her limitations and grow into someone more heroic. What do you think? What does the future have in store for her?"If at that point the player stonewalls and says "I'm having fun playing this way, no need to change." then I would tell him the other players are having less fun because of his choices.  Every player has a responsibility to make a PC that enhances the game, not one that detracts from it. The guy who wants to play a CE rogue pretending to be CG in a good-aligned party isn't exploring a challenging role; he is sabotaging everyone else's fun.  The lame duck PC who never grows up is a lesser instance of the same sin.On the other hand, the lame duck PC who grows in an unexpected direction and becomes someone unique can be very memorable and generate stories that get retold for years to come.Good luck,Ben</blockquote>

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