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<blockquote data-quote="S'mon" data-source="post: 5596489" data-attributes="member: 463">In my campaign worlds I would be confident enough in having 1st level 4e PCs hired by a local non-Wizard University to recover a missing researcher, the University staff would not have great power, most or all would be noncombatant, but they'd have some Heroic Tier ritual casting ability which they could use to aid the PCs.BTW This discussion reminds me of a 3e campaign.&nbsp; The ca 12th level PCs were up against a CR 20+ BBEG.&nbsp; In the BBEG's lair they encountered a couple dozen 5th &amp; 6th level Orc warriors, a trivial threat - and these players complained the Orcs were too tough!&nbsp; Groups of Orcs should be 1st level warriors, like in the MM.&nbsp; I was just doing it to screw them over.&nbsp; I had arbitrarily raised the Orcs' levels like in a crappy CRPG.I was pissed off.&nbsp; Because I am a very simulationist DM by inclination, and the players could not have been more wrong.&nbsp; I had actually pre-calculated the number of 5th &amp; 6th level Orc warriors in the local tribes according to the demographics I used (1/2 number per +1 level) and had them recruited by the BBEG offscreen.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="S'mon, post: 5596489, member: 463"] In my campaign worlds I would be confident enough in having 1st level 4e PCs hired by a local non-Wizard University to recover a missing researcher, the University staff would not have great power, most or all would be noncombatant, but they'd have some Heroic Tier ritual casting ability which they could use to aid the PCs. BTW This discussion reminds me of a 3e campaign. The ca 12th level PCs were up against a CR 20+ BBEG. In the BBEG's lair they encountered a couple dozen 5th & 6th level Orc warriors, a trivial threat - and these players complained the Orcs were too tough! Groups of Orcs should be 1st level warriors, like in the MM. I was just doing it to screw them over. I had arbitrarily raised the Orcs' levels like in a crappy CRPG. I was pissed off. Because I am a very simulationist DM by inclination, and the players could not have been more wrong. I had actually pre-calculated the number of 5th & 6th level Orc warriors in the local tribes according to the demographics I used (1/2 number per +1 level) and had them recruited by the BBEG offscreen. [/QUOTE]

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