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Message: <blockquote data-quote="auburn2" data-source="post: 8223020" data-attributes="member: 6855259">Ok when you say optimization, I assume you mean optimized for combat.  I don't kn9ow exactly what you are talking about, is GWM "game breaking".  I don't think so.  I have not really ran into game-breaking optimizations a lot.  That said here are some easy ways to discourage that sort of metagaming:1. focus your table more heavily on role play and less on combat.  Go multiple sessions without a single combat.  The optimized character might be optimized, but not for the play at your table.  To be honest most players will find this more fun as well.  Someone that is optimized for combat will necessarily not be optimized for most out of combat interactions.  When I am playing my most common race is PHB half-elf and most common class is Rogue.  The reason is the skill proficiencies and this IMO makes an "optimal" character for the type of game I play.  However, in terms of combat the character is decidedly sub-optimal compared to other available options and most people focused on combat would consider half-elf to be one of the "weaker" races.2. Virtually no character is optimized for everything, so cash in on his or her weakness.  You can have an optimized party, but not really an optimized single character in 5E.  Someone who is optimized against one sort of foe will be mediocre or often poor against another.  If the character is a warrior, hit him with wisdom, charisma or intelligence "save or suck" enemies.   If it is a spell caster, put him in melee.  If your whole party is optimizers, this is harder to do.3. Combine ranged, melee and caster opponents in your ememy encounters.  A typical party has at least 1 ranged guy who is hanging back shooting weapons or ranged cantrips and another who is the tank and running into melee and at least 1 caster.  No reason enemies should not be the same.  When they walk into that guard barracks, instead of 6 thugs, have them face 2 thugs, 1 scout, 1 spy and 1 priest.   This affords them the same sort of battlefield control options the party has.  In particulara spy that can hide every turn like a PC Rogue can be very disruptive to the party in terms of action economy.</blockquote>

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