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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Arial Black" data-source="post: 8223289" data-attributes="member: 6799649">The point was not to mock, although I knew it might come across that way. That's why I mentioned my motive, which was to demonstrate that exactly the same points could be made to cast the actor-types as the villains and the optimiser types as the innocents, showing that neither version would be valid because it's not really optimisers versus actors that is at the heart of his problem.The problem is that some players are playing selfishly.Sure, you can be an optimiser who plays selfishly, but you can also play an optimised support PC, or any variety of optimised PC who cares about the experience of all the players.You can also be an actor-type, who only cares about the talky stuff and gets bored by the game play aspects, fighting and so on, and still be a total jerk who monopolises the game for their own enjoyment at the expense of the other players.You could put up a scenario and tell us that your group is divided between optimisers and role-players, and also tell us that one group is spoiling the game for the other group, and we simply could not know which group was selfish and which was not.So, making optimising harder is irrelevant! That's not the problem! The problem is selfishness, and that behaviour could come from either group!The OP wants advice on how to deal with those nasty optimisers, who everyone knows are always the cause of trouble, right?Yeah, that bothered me. As both an optimiser AND a role-player, that bothered me.The way to solve his problem would have been to ask us how to solve the problem of some players being selfish, and the advice he would get would apply equally whether the problem players were optimisers OR role-players, or both.</blockquote>

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