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<blockquote data-quote="Snarf Zagyg" data-source="post: 8224283" data-attributes="member: 7023840">See, this is what [USER=86653]@overgeeked[/USER] is saying.There is nothing &quot;wrong&quot; with being an optimizer (min/maxer, powergamer, munchkin, etc.). It's a playing style that people like! But it's not always fun for everyone.To put this another way-Imagine (try, really) that there are a group of people that get together and play some recreational basketball every weekend. For them, it's a fun way of re-connecting. They get a little exercise, catch up, chat, have a few drinks afterwards. It's all good!Now ... they invite someone else to the game. This person take it very seriously. Michael Jordan seriously. He is trash talking. He is going all out. He is trying to make sidebets. He is belittling other players. He is committing hard fouls (&quot;if you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin'&quot;). He is going all out to WIN. Of course, he would say that he is &quot;good&quot; at the game. And maybe he is! But he is not good for that game. Everyone there is playing basketball, and everyone there is trying to have fun, but the type of fun that people have, playing the exact same game, can be different. Which is okay!The new guy would be better off playing in a competitive league. Not the friendly game. The issue is that there is a mismatch in playing styles; which leads to a few observations:1. The answer was already provided by [USER=20564]@Blue[/USER] on the first page- the problem isn't that the player(s) is optimizing. The problem is that the player is a jerk. If you talk to someone, and they don't change or try to change, then the issue isn't playing style- it's the player.2. In addition, constant comments that a person who is articulating an issue is either lying (like we just saw), doesn't understand their own table, or needs to understand what &quot;good play&quot; is are not only not helpful, but pretty insulting. If you wish people to respect the way you play, a good way to start is by listening to them and respecting what they have to say, and then offering advice that is helpful. IMO.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Snarf Zagyg, post: 8224283, member: 7023840"] See, this is what [USER=86653]@overgeeked[/USER] is saying. There is nothing "wrong" with being an optimizer (min/maxer, powergamer, munchkin, etc.). It's a playing style that people like! But it's not always fun for everyone. To put this another way- Imagine (try, really) that there are a group of people that get together and play some recreational basketball every weekend. For them, it's a fun way of re-connecting. They get a little exercise, catch up, chat, have a few drinks afterwards. It's all good! Now ... they invite someone else to the game. This person take it very seriously. Michael Jordan seriously. He is trash talking. He is going all out. He is trying to make sidebets. He is belittling other players. He is committing hard fouls ("if you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin'"). He is going all out to WIN. Of course, he would say that he is "good" at the game. And maybe he is! But he is not good for [I]that game. [/I]Everyone there is playing basketball, and everyone there is trying to have fun, but the type of fun that people have, [I]playing the exact same game[/I], can be different. Which is okay! The new guy would be better off playing in a competitive league. Not the friendly game. The issue is that there is a mismatch in playing styles; which leads to a few observations: 1. The answer was already provided by [USER=20564]@Blue[/USER] on the first page- the problem isn't that the player(s) is optimizing. The problem is that the player is a jerk. If you talk to someone, and they don't change or try to change, then the issue isn't playing style- it's the player. 2. In addition, constant comments that a person who is articulating an issue is either lying (like we just saw), doesn't understand their own table, or needs to understand what "good play" is are not only not helpful, but pretty insulting. If you wish people to respect the way you play, a good way to start is by listening to them and respecting what they have to say, and then offering advice that is helpful. IMO. [/QUOTE]

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