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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8224301" data-attributes="member: 18">Yes exactly. I feel like the OP actually doesn't want to list the &quot;game-breaking&quot; specifics because we'd all laugh at the idea it's &quot;game-breaking&quot; and offer him actually-useful advice on how to manage rather than commiserating about this or telling him how to &quot;discipline&quot; the players or whatever.Again yep. But here's the problem for me. I'm kind of wondering what he actually told the players. Like, it's increasingly sounding like &quot;game-breaking&quot; is &quot;some characters do 20% more DPR than others!&quot;, but what has the OP actually said to them? &quot;Please don't make hyper-optimized characters!&quot; - they may well feel like they aren't.Again I've seen DMs who just can't handle characters who are even mildly optimized, or even ones who aren't optimized, but consistently played well (i.e. using the best spells they have, not just a random selection of their spells, for example, and holding them for encounters where they make a difference). I don't understand why they can't handle it, but they do exist. I've seen more than one IRL, and far more discussing stuff online.I understand it just fine. It's a terrible analogy on multiple levels. First off, these aren't new people so no-one is just arriving. Second off, no-one is hurting or abusing anyone else. That's really bad stuff to suggest is going on. It's not remotely comparable. You are out of line to suggest it.The OP is concealing information and making statements that ring extremely false to any kind of reasonable understanding of 5E's rules and levels of achievable optimization (like the idea that there's a problematic &quot;forest&quot; of optimization out there). It is completely fair to question that, even in somewhat harsh terms.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 8224301, member: 18"] Yes exactly. I feel like the OP actually doesn't want to list the "game-breaking" specifics because we'd all laugh at the idea it's "game-breaking" and offer him actually-useful advice on how to manage rather than commiserating about this or telling him how to "discipline" the players or whatever. Again yep. But here's the problem for me. I'm kind of wondering what he actually told the players. Like, it's increasingly sounding like "game-breaking" is "some characters do 20% more DPR than others!", but what has the OP actually said to them? "Please don't make hyper-optimized characters!" - they may well feel like they aren't. Again I've seen DMs who just can't handle characters who are even mildly optimized, or even ones who aren't optimized, but consistently played well (i.e. using the best spells they have, not just a random selection of their spells, for example, and holding them for encounters where they make a difference). I don't understand why they can't handle it, but they do exist. I've seen more than one IRL, and far more discussing stuff online. I understand it just fine. It's a terrible analogy on multiple levels. First off, these aren't new people so no-one is just arriving. Second off, no-one is hurting or abusing anyone else. That's really bad stuff to suggest is going on. It's not remotely comparable. You are out of line to suggest it. The OP is concealing information and making statements that ring extremely false to any kind of reasonable understanding of 5E's rules and levels of achievable optimization (like the idea that there's a problematic "forest" of optimization out there). It is completely fair to question that, even in somewhat harsh terms. [/QUOTE]

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