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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8224314" data-attributes="member: 18">Oh for god's sake. Are you remotely serious?Have other players complained about them? Are the other players looking sad-as-hell during combat? Or is this entirely in your head?Again, I've seen DMs who had an attitude like you seem to be saying. The problem, in those cases, was them. For example, my exact group. Two players don't really optimize, two players are moderate optimizers, two are usually serious-ass optimizers. If I DM, or my brother DMs, or the other experienced DM DMs, or my wife DMs for that matter, there's no problem at all. If one of the players who is also one of the moderate optimizers DMs, he can't handle it, he can't handle that some of us are much more effective than others. We can handle it. We don't care. We've been playing like this for ages. If a character is really weak, yeah a player might want to change it, but it's usually only the optimizers who even notice their PC isn't effective. But that one guy, he's literally ended campaigns because of this.Hence we don't have him DM anymore. But this is DM problem in his case, not a player problem. Unless you're getting actual complaints, or can both see that players are visibly unhappy and have confirmed this by asking them, you're the problem.Alternatively, if you can't accept you are the problem, 5E is the problem. It is inherently, using only the classes, spells, and abilities in the PHB, a game where two DPS characters could very easily end up not just 20% apart on DPR, but 100% apart, if one person takes, say, a Warlock with Agonizing Blast and Hex (as any sane Warlock should!), and keeps using ASIs on their CHA (again, reasonable by your own definition in the original post), and then the other player takes say a Warlock but goes Pact of the Blade, but does NOT pick the Hexblade as his patron, and thus has induced MAD in his build, and maybe he's spread his stats around in a slightly dubious way, and spreads his ASIs around, or buys Feats instead, maybe ones that don't buff his build, and doesn't use Hex, but instead picks other spells, there could easily be a 100% difference in DPR.But you seem to think the guy playing perfectly reasonably but doing 100% more DPR is being unreasonable. He is not.</blockquote>

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