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<blockquote data-quote="auburn2" data-source="post: 8224380" data-attributes="member: 6855259">If I am understanding you the &quot;optimizer&quot; doing more DPR than the others at the table is what is causing problems?This is silly and it sounds like you have a bunch of insecure players.&nbsp; When the Paladin sitting next to me hits the BBEG for 60 points of damage I am celebrating and high five-ing and the fact my Rogue's short sword did 5 damage one turn before is of no consequence&nbsp; ....&nbsp; By the same token they are cheering and calling my Rogue a &quot;legend&quot; (true story) because I tricked an employer into paying us 6 times what we were owed for a job by twisting the agreement and embellishing what we did a bit.&nbsp; My Rogue has a 14 Charisma, expertise in Deception and proficiency in persuasion.My bladesinger was the most combat &quot;optimized&quot; character I ever played and she did the least DPR off any of my 5E characters.&nbsp; She was extremely hard to hit with a sky-high AC and enemies getting disadvantage and went several levels in a row without being hit by an attack at all, despite the fact she was the first person into melee on every combat.&nbsp; I surely never felt underpowered or overshadowed at the table and the rest of the party was pretty stoked when she would eat up 14 attacks without a hit and just flat walk away from multiple opponents and shrug off opportunity attacks like they didn't matter.&nbsp; She never suffered from damage envy, the length of the fighter's greatsword was never a problem for her and I don't think the difficulty the enemy had penetrating her defense was a problem for anyone else at the table.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="auburn2, post: 8224380, member: 6855259"] If I am understanding you the "optimizer" doing more DPR than the others at the table is what is causing problems? This is silly and it sounds like you have a bunch of insecure players. When the Paladin sitting next to me hits the BBEG for 60 points of damage I am celebrating and high five-ing and the fact my Rogue's short sword did 5 damage one turn before is of no consequence .... By the same token they are cheering and calling my Rogue a "legend" (true story) because I tricked an employer into paying us 6 times what we were owed for a job by twisting the agreement and embellishing what we did a bit. My Rogue has a 14 Charisma, expertise in Deception and proficiency in persuasion. My bladesinger was the most combat "optimized" character I ever played and she did the least DPR off any of my 5E characters. She was extremely hard to hit with a sky-high AC and enemies getting disadvantage and went several levels in a row without being hit by an attack at all, despite the fact she was the first person into melee on every combat. I surely never felt underpowered or overshadowed at the table and the rest of the party was pretty stoked when she would eat up 14 attacks without a hit and just flat walk away from multiple opponents and shrug off opportunity attacks like they didn't matter. She never suffered from damage envy, the length of the fighter's greatsword was never a problem for her and I don't think the difficulty the enemy had penetrating her defense was a problem for anyone else at the table. [/QUOTE]

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