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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Istbor" data-source="post: 8224418" data-attributes="member: 6801670">Then it is time to talk to the play or change the make-up of the group. You (and possibly the other players?) and the optimizer(s) find fun in different things.Myself, I enjoy character creation. It is fun to theorize to me. Fun to see what the potential is. I would consider myself optimizing to an extent. I have no intention of pooing on anyone's fun because I enjoyed the process of building a character that in some cases is good at killing things. I just wanted someone good at killing things. That is the niche I sought out that particular game.Now, maybe there is someone else in the group that also wanted to be good at killing things. If it is then mentioned that my characters ability to do so, seems to be overshadowing another's, something can be done. I can either lay off at certain times to give them the spotlight. Which I am totally fine with, or I can try and diversify my niche. Thus that other killer is on more equal footing and we are both still having fun.If I get that sense or talk that I am overshadowing someone, and just like amp it up? Then I guess I am a jerk. You should talk about how I am a jerk to me, or tell me to eventually leave.However, if I am told that it isn't my actions, but just how I build characters that is the problem with the group, I can understand that, and probably start looking for a group where I can have the fun I enjoy. I know that if I had like... a concept and was told not to do it, I can try something else. If I am then told all my presented concepts are bad because it might make someone feel bad, then I am probably going to shuffle on to buffalo, and find a new group where me being me isn't stepping on toes.I guess I am a bit confused. As typically the people I play with seek out a role they would like to do, and try and be good at it. Sometimes that means being the face, or support, or investigating, sometimes that means being stealthy, tanky, or an efficient killer.  When I am an efficient killer, which seems to be the crux of this situation, my party enjoys my participation, as they expect me to do the killing.  I think my last one was a Zealot Barbarian with PAM. Really good fun. I didn't even need GW.</blockquote>

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