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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cap'n Kobold" data-source="post: 8225590" data-attributes="member: 6802951">The presence of the optimisers (or munchkins; however you like it) and their impact on the game is situation X.Now the optimal solution Z (kicking the players if they don't improve their behaviour) is not one that this DM is in a position to be able to apply.Therefore they have to use an alternative solution Y (dealing with the optimisation and reducing the level that it hurts the enjoyment of the other people in the group.Crowing about how you (general you, not you personally) are in a position to enforce solution Z and how it is the only way to deal with it in a situation where you have been told it isn't an option is fundamentally unhelpful, and at worst, actively hurtful. Waving your privilege in someone's face and dropping to autopilot for how to deal with a problem without actually reading the post asking for help to understand the actual situation isn't going to help resolve it.We know the underlying issue: a couple of jerk players. However since the OP is not in a position where they can treat the cause, they are looking to try to mitigate the symptoms: the impact the optimisers are having on the rest of the game.Given that the Twilight and Peace cleric combo that the optimisers recently talked about wanting to play was called out not long ago as a broken combination by Treantmonk by all people in one of his youtube videos, I think that might be exactly what is happening here.Off the top of my head, of all the situations where someone has been asking me for help, I can't think of a single one that has actually been helped by someone saying "Learn2play" or "Git gud".</blockquote>

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