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<blockquote data-quote="NotAYakk" data-source="post: 8226515" data-attributes="member: 72555">There is &quot;I am the best at combat&quot; and &quot;I am a useful contributor in combat&quot;.Someone dealing 20 damage per round is not a useful contributor in a combat next to someone dealing 100.&nbsp; They could skip their turn, and the narrative of the battle probably wouldn't change.&nbsp; And that sucks.And I consider it reasonable for a baseline ranger to expect to be a useful contributor in combat without engaging in charop.Notice that after I gave out those crazy Flamedancers, the BM was still better in combat than the Ranger. But by something like +50% over the Ranger, not by a 500% multiplier. (also, if that ranger took SS, they'd still not exceed their melee DPS if I did it right; -5 to hit for +30 damage, assuming they cast a bonus action spell every round)And sure, playing a bard who doesn't deal damage is also fun.But that bard is probably doing neat support stuff in the fight (if they aren't, the DM should ... hand out an instrument of the bards, which should make a large difference.&nbsp; Oh my, the magic item lever again).You'll also notice that the &quot;better than they already have, somewhat useful in combat&quot; Glaive I suggested for the charop BM added features that makes the BM useful outside of combat.&nbsp; That was intentional.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="NotAYakk, post: 8226515, member: 72555"] There is "I am the best at combat" and "I am a useful contributor in combat". Someone dealing 20 damage per round is not a useful contributor in a combat next to someone dealing 100. They could skip their turn, and the narrative of the battle probably wouldn't change. And that sucks. And I consider it reasonable for a baseline ranger to expect to be a useful contributor in combat without engaging in charop. Notice that after I gave out those crazy Flamedancers, the BM [B]was still better in combat[/B] than the Ranger. But by something like +50% over the Ranger, not by a 500% multiplier. (also, if that ranger took SS, they'd still not exceed their melee DPS if I did it right; -5 to hit for +30 damage, assuming they cast a bonus action spell every round) And sure, playing a bard who doesn't deal damage is also fun. But that bard is probably doing neat support stuff in the fight (if they aren't, the DM should ... hand out an instrument of the bards, which should make a large difference. Oh my, the magic item lever again). You'll also notice that the "better than they already have, somewhat useful in combat" Glaive I suggested for the charop BM added features that makes the BM useful outside of combat. That was intentional. [/QUOTE]

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