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<blockquote data-quote="Arial Black" data-source="post: 8227415" data-attributes="member: 6799649">The OP has posted more since I wrote all this, and the problem has become even more clear.The OP is telling us that the problem is optimisation.But he is wrong. Mistaken.Reading his posts, it's clear that the actual problem is that some players are optimising and refusing to stop optimising.....AND that the OTHER players are NOT optimising and are refusing to optimise, or don't know how.Another DM with exactly the same situation could post that he has a problem with players that refuse to make decent characters!The OP sees the optimisers as the bad guys, but it would be just as easy to paint the 'useless' guys as the problem.That's the OP's bias.Since the problem is the disparity, not the optimisers OR the can't-make-a-decent-character guys, the solution is to narrow the gap.Three ways spring to mind:-1) make the optimisers create worse PCs2) make the others create better PCs3) both of the aboveBut which way is better?Using the basketball analogy from earlier, if I was the coach and some players were better than others, my solution would NOT be to tell the good players to play badly! It would be to teach the bad players to play better!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Arial Black, post: 8227415, member: 6799649"] The OP has posted more since I wrote all this, and the problem has become even more clear. The OP is telling us that the problem is optimisation. But he is wrong. Mistaken. Reading his posts, it's clear that the actual problem is that some players are optimising and refusing to stop optimising.....AND that the OTHER players are NOT optimising and are refusing to optimise, or don't know how. Another DM with [I]exactly the same[/I] situation could post that he has a problem with players that refuse to make decent characters! The OP sees the optimisers as the bad guys, but it would be just as easy to paint the 'useless' guys as the problem. That's the OP's bias. Since the problem is the disparity, not the optimisers OR the can't-make-a-decent-character guys, the solution is to narrow the gap. Three ways spring to mind:- 1) make the optimisers create worse PCs 2) make the others create better PCs 3) both of the above But which way is better? Using the basketball analogy from earlier, if I was the coach and some players were better than others, my solution would NOT be to tell the good players to play badly! It would be to teach the bad players to play better! [/QUOTE]

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