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<blockquote data-quote="Arial Black" data-source="post: 8227513" data-attributes="member: 6799649">Well, you've sent three posts my way in this thread, and in each post you've misrepresented my position. Gotta admire that 100% record. : )I'm saying that it's equally possible to paint either group as the bad guys, which itself demonstrates that neither really is.I'm also saying that, as demonstrated in the last few posts, it's anti-social behaviour that's the problem. That guy having his PC attack those cavemen was a problem, and the PC could just as easily been poorly or optimally designed.What is the purpose of playing basketball, winning the game or enjoying playing the game?It's not one or the other. When I play soccer I play because I enjoy it. But if I'm playing a team game like soccer (or D&amp;D), you better believe I'm going to play as well as I can, and try to improve my skills along the way!Why would I want to let my team down? Why would I not try and play as skilfully as I can? Why would my coach not teach me to get better? But the OP is saying his other players are not having fun, isn't he? If they are, he has no beef. If they are not, it's because (according to the OP) their PCs are not as good as some other PCs.If they are happy with their PCs I'll still give them levelling-up advice, laying out the situation and letting them make an informed choice rather than leave them hanging. If they are unhappy with the disparity I'll help them improve rather than tell the skilful players to deliberately play badly.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Arial Black, post: 8227513, member: 6799649"] Well, you've sent three posts my way in this thread, and in each post you've misrepresented my position. Gotta admire that 100% record. : ) I'm saying that it's equally possible to paint [I]either[/I] group as the bad guys, which itself demonstrates that neither really is. I'm also saying that, as demonstrated in the last few posts, it's anti-social behaviour that's the problem. That guy having his PC attack those cavemen was a problem, and the PC could just as easily been poorly or optimally designed. What is the purpose of playing basketball, winning the game or enjoying playing the game? It's not one or the other. When I play soccer I play because I enjoy it. But if I'm playing a team game like soccer (or D&D), you better believe I'm going to play as well as I can, and try to improve my skills along the way! Why would I want to let my team down? Why would I not try and play as skilfully as I can? Why would my coach not teach me to get better? But the OP is saying his other players are [I]not[/I] having fun, isn't he? If they are, he has no beef. If they are not, it's because (according to the OP) their PCs are not as good as some other PCs. If they are happy with their PCs I'll still give them levelling-up advice, laying out the situation and letting them make an [I]informed [/I]choice rather than leave them hanging. If they are unhappy with the disparity I'll help them improve rather than tell the skilful players to deliberately play badly. [/QUOTE]

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