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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Non-Proficient" data-source="post: 8227778" data-attributes="member: 7030127">Yeah well, that's just, ya know, like, your opinion, man...While Walter is an #######, it doesn't make him a bad player, unless by 'a bad player' you meant to assert he's an #######. So what is to be done about it? The individuals giving advice to either suck it up and continue to deal with it, or up the combat capabilities of the casuals, or boot the optimizers flat-out --have a handle on the outcomes available. The rest comes off as Dude prattling that Smokey has emotional problems, naive to the human nature of player mentalities not willing to change their optimization habits. What difference does it make what is considered optimization and what a table of 50-somethings whose dad worked at TSR thinks of bringing optimization to the table? What is your remedy? Forget that Walter is an ####### for playing within the letter of the rules to a fault if not the spirit of the game (by your table's standards- and others' opinions). Does he get to bring the Pomeranian to the game or not?Edit: "casuals" isn't the best word there, they could have been playing for a long time for all I know. "Unoptimisers".Why are you hitched to D&D OP? If combat and feats and beholder stat blocks aren't the focal points of your campaign world, what specifically between the covers of Hasbro's flagship keeps your players foisting its banner? It baffles me why groups that aren't that into action economies and such cling to this particular combat-centric system. Do you play in a published game world? Can you port that world over to a more role-play-centric suite of rules that would negate the ability and or need to optimize or even cause the offending players to bow out on their own discretion in search of crunchier gridded pastures? <a href="https://gameswithothers.blogspot.com/2014/08/blanchehammer-5e-d-proficiency-system.html" target="_blank">Boom. Done. Solved all your problems. One page.</a> If your group legit wouldn't give that a chance, they are no different than the dudes that can't tone down. That does everything you'd really need for a combat light system. Seriously.For anyone that would ask another to change, ask yourself first what you are willing to change. If your rebuttal is along the lines of "why should we have to change, we are in the majority, and they are causing the problems" I would suggest that you are the ones distressed by the problems, and as such, you are the ones with the duty to amend your situation to your liking -without- expecting to change their behavior since they have shown you their willingness to defy your <s>imposed</s> requested table etiquette.</blockquote>

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