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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Non-Proficient" data-source="post: 8229877" data-attributes="member: 7030127">Ah. Thank you for the rundown. More Warlock dipping. Looks like their rules (warlock) and/or multiclassing could get revised in the future (maybe). Then everyone will rush to the next best thing. It's not my style, but I personally wouldn't care if my team-mate brings it. It's too samey. It's an MtG net deck. And that genre is rife with that kind of stuff. If you wanted to play at an LGS with a heavy competitive meta (aren't they all to some extent it seems?), you'd have to bring a top-tier deck to compete at a consistent rate. If you didn't want to do that, too bad- you don't have a say in it. But OP does. Not that it matters, but is this kind of warlock dipping thing allowed in AL? I know about the (soon defunct?) PHB +1 rule, but never having played at one wasn't sure what flies at most of those tables.I have seen so many games wherein an arms race ensues cheapening the experience overall for some while making others thrive on it. Heroclix teams taking whatever mix of DC/Marvel plastic crack synergizes best that month, I was left thinking: "Wouldn't the Fantastic Four vs. the Brotherhood of Evil make for a better game? Oh, the Brotherhood of Evil is statistically worse off in that matchup and you want to win. Okay. Hand me Silver Surfer, Batman and Mephisto I guess"* We've all experienced this, and it's not just video games either, -it's hobby gaming in general, it's fantasy entertainment: Geralt/Drizzt/Gary Stu types/approximations of Vin Diesel's Melchor ...apparently... not some schlep on page 199 of the PHB even if he has a way better backstory. It's everywhere in life. Move over thematically rich characters with superior backstory, we're gunning for "serviceable" -and we've finally hit that in the director's cut -Subscribe Today.True, D&D is widely understood to be a co-operative experience, but it can easily be viewed as a "my character vs. trolls, giants, & dragons" simulator. Good luck overriding that outlook with a shared-storytelling vision. You can guide them to bold print saying as much in the "What is a role-playing game?" section, but they'll still cling to the power fantasy if that's what they want from it. And they're not wrong to do so. Ergo optimization, ergo munchkinism, ergo ergo ergo...[ATTACH=full]134599[/ATTACH]With 5e being the best-selling RPG how could this pervasive gaming/cultural mentality not spill over into our tables? OP is in one of the better positions to curate the experience at a private table and enjoy that [sparkly font] something more [/sparkly font]†, but it requires dealing with the world of people of other stripes with counter-productive priorities. "The optimizers" -as OP likes to put it.Nuke them from orbit -it's the only way to be sure. Or some other solution offered, or something of your own design, Silver Bullets or Cold Iron maybe. My personal recommendation: A 5e Mouseguard adaptation... because then at least I can read on the internet about broken warlock-sorcadin mice whacking owls & rattlesnakes disproportionately to the rest of the troupe.[ATTACH=full]134601[/ATTACH]* I have no clue what the current best line-up of Clix is obviously. I got to play the more thematic match-ups at home.† just to clarify, I'm elevating this phrase not making fun. My prose comes off more Crass than a punk band from Essex, but that is just my curse.</blockquote>

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