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<blockquote data-quote="Oryan77" data-source="post: 3369614" data-attributes="member: 18701">Oh believe me, you guys are awesome &amp; Enworld is the first place I run to for help. I've already done this long ago&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue&nbsp; &nbsp; :p"&nbsp; data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /> My point is, I don't want to keep doing this. It's a waste of my time just to challenge a single well efficiently built PC. I can put up with a PC that is hard to hit due to a high AC...even when I have to roll a Natural 20 to hit him 80% of the time. I can deal with a PC that blasts NPC's with hard hitting attacks. But it's when I have to deal with a cleric PC that managed to work out a way where he gets an incredible AC, an insane attack bonus when buffing, great saves due to buffs, created a spell selection that allows him to attack from a distance (he avoids his slow movement rate now), gets multiple attacks from a distance with high bonuses, outputs huge damage, &amp; just to make sure he's hitting any enemy; the attacks may be ranged touch attacks. Not only this, but just in case he needs to rescue a PC, thanks to swift spells, he can instantly do so without losing a full attack action. So it threatens my attempts to even wack on other PC's. I may be exagerating a little, but that's basically what he tries to do.When I've thought, &quot;He's raising the challenge bar, so I'll make higher ECL's&quot;, my NPC's do too much output vs the other players. So I may nick his PC now, but I'll slaughter another PC in a single hit.Believe me, I've gone over his build &amp; spell combinations with a fine toothed comb. I've become pretty good with rules, and when I wasn't sure, I even posted here in the rules forum.One thing I appreciate about him is he is very thorough and doesn't try to abuse the rules. Most players I've played with that &quot;try&quot; to powergame usually had no idea what they were doing and their powerful builds broke all kinds of rules. I've caught one simple mistake he made once, but usually if I think this guy broke a rule, he proves me wrong. So I'm confident that he knows what he's doing.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Oryan77, post: 3369614, member: 18701"] Oh believe me, you guys are awesome & Enworld is the first place I run to for help. I've already done this long ago :p My point is, I don't [i]want[/i] to keep doing this. It's a waste of my time just to challenge a single well efficiently built PC. I can put up with a PC that is hard to hit due to a high AC...even when I have to roll a Natural 20 to hit him 80% of the time. I can deal with a PC that blasts NPC's with hard hitting attacks. But it's when I have to deal with a cleric PC that managed to work out a way where he gets an incredible AC, an insane attack bonus when buffing, great saves due to buffs, created a spell selection that allows him to attack from a distance (he avoids his slow movement rate now), gets multiple attacks from a distance with high bonuses, outputs huge damage, & just to make sure he's hitting any enemy; the attacks may be ranged touch attacks. Not only this, but [b]just[/b] in case he needs to rescue a PC, thanks to swift spells, he can instantly do so without losing a full attack action. So it threatens my attempts to even wack on other PC's. I may be exagerating a little, but that's basically what he tries to do. When I've thought, "He's raising the challenge bar, so I'll make higher ECL's", my NPC's do too much output vs the other players. So I may nick his PC now, but I'll slaughter another PC in a single hit. Believe me, I've gone over his build & spell combinations with a fine toothed comb. I've become pretty good with rules, and when I wasn't sure, I even posted here in the rules forum. One thing I appreciate about him is he is very thorough and doesn't try to abuse the rules. Most players I've played with that "try" to powergame usually had no idea what they were doing and their powerful builds broke all kinds of rules. I've caught one simple mistake he made once, but usually if I think this guy broke a rule, he proves me wrong. So I'm confident that he knows what he's doing. [/QUOTE]

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