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<blockquote data-quote="Obryn" data-source="post: 4908922" data-attributes="member: 11821">I said the corrected, post-errata skill challenges - the one where the math works out.&nbsp; Or use Stalker0's.&nbsp; Or do you just hate skill challenges for some other reason you'd care to share?&nbsp; I'm not surprised you don't like them either way, but it's a powerful element in a competent 4e DM's toolkit.&nbsp; One that can be pulled out on the fly and improvised.And where are you getting Athletics working in this one?&nbsp; Are you making stuff up again?&nbsp; Maybe you could use it for a bonus to Intimidate, but really.&nbsp; Be serious here.It changes quite a lot, actually.&nbsp; (1) It expands the opportunity for role-playing.&nbsp; (2) It levels out the probabilities - a single die roll is wildly variable, while ten die rolls exhibit a central tendency.&nbsp; (3) It adds tension to the encounter rather than just crossing your fingers for a single die roll.It's apples and oranges.&nbsp; It's the difference between climbing a ladder and climbing a mountain.-O</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Obryn, post: 4908922, member: 11821"] I said the corrected, post-errata skill challenges - the one where the math works out. Or use Stalker0's. Or do you just hate skill challenges for some other reason you'd care to share? I'm not surprised you don't like them either way, but it's a powerful element in a competent 4e DM's toolkit. One that can be pulled out on the fly and improvised. And where are you getting Athletics working in this one? Are you making stuff up again? Maybe you could use it for a bonus to Intimidate, but really. Be serious here. It changes quite a lot, actually. (1) It expands the opportunity for role-playing. (2) It levels out the probabilities - a single die roll is wildly variable, while ten die rolls exhibit a central tendency. (3) It adds tension to the [I]encounter[/I] rather than just crossing your fingers for a single die roll. It's apples and oranges. It's the difference between climbing a ladder and climbing a mountain. -O [/QUOTE]

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