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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Wednesday Boy" data-source="post: 5668917" data-attributes="member: 53678">I can see where you're coming from because not having permanent phasing departs from the traditional image of ghosts and having permanent phasing would give the character a lot of room for circumventing many mundane challenges.  (I don't think insubstantial is as much of a concern since it doesn't have a cinematic effect.  It just translates to having extra staying power.) But I think there's room to balancing the two so the character feels like a ghost while not being overly powerful.  Since I can accept that a vampire doesn't get to turn into mist (Gaseous Form) until 10th level for balance reasons, it's not difficult for me to concede that a ghost class shouldn't get permanent phasing early either (regardless of how much I would want it).  I can understand how it is a strike against the concept and potentially enough of a departure from the iconic image of a ghost to dissuade WotC from attempting to make it a class. The element that I think a ghost class has over a werewolf class is that there are a number of iconic ghostly themes that could lend themselves to interesting and varied suite of powers:  spooking, invisibility, phasing, death touch, poltergeisting, etc.  Werewolves, on the other hand, don't have much going for them besides animal form, human form, and hybrid form.  I don't see much room to develop a unique class from those elements that couldn't be covered with a theme (like the Pack Outcast from Neverwinter CG) or bloodline feats (like the Vampire Heritage feats). But I'm not a creative game developer (although I am slowly trying to put together a ghost class of my own) and the WotC folks are.  It would not surprise me at all if they developed an ghost or werewolf class that I found interesting and enjoyable to play!</blockquote>

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