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<blockquote data-quote="OneRedRook" data-source="post: 7635161" data-attributes="member: 35028"><p>It sounds like your DM has a solution he likes with his multi-cleric idea, so this is just for discussion's sake.</p><p></p><p>Anyway, did you destroy the vampire, or just defeat him? Because one way to get past the "0 hit point maximum" problem is to bury the PC so they come back as a vampire spawn - they seem to come back with a positive hit point total. Then all you need to do is get the newly-risen vampire spawn to drain some blood from their master, kill the now-full vampire and bring them back to life. Too easy!</p><p></p><p>I'm relying here on the "Player Characters as Vampires" inset and "Born from Death" section of the Vampires MM entry. The process really vague and probably doesn't lend itself to the strict RAW approach being used in this thread by some (including, it appears, the OP's DM), but that pathway does seem to exist in the "rules" for vampires.</p><p></p><p>There are some complications. Vampire spawn are described as being "under the control of the vampire that created them". How does that work? If your DM rules it works like "Dominate Person" - ie, telepathic and requiring no actions - then I think you're down to trying to convince the master vampire to allow their spawn to draw their blood, which sounds unpleasant. Otherwise you could stake and gag the vampire, and then let the spawn loose on them (hoping, of course, the spawn doesn't choose to try and free their master).</p><p></p><p>There's also some unhelpful language in "Raise Dead" about not bringing undead back to life. In the context of this situation that's really unclear - is it just saying that "Raise Dead" cannot re-animate a destroyed undead, or is it meant to prevent turning undead back into living people? If it's the latter, you'd need to use "Resurrection", a 7th level spell, which doesn't have that language.</p><p></p><p>Finally, if you want to lean on the RAW interpretation, there's nothing that says vampire spawn are not created simply because their master vampire is dead - you could argue they are instead created as free-willed spawn. Similarly, nothing says it has to be their master's blood which turns them into a "real boy" full vampire. I think those arguments are a bit weak, but it might be worth trying.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="OneRedRook, post: 7635161, member: 35028"] It sounds like your DM has a solution he likes with his multi-cleric idea, so this is just for discussion's sake. Anyway, did you destroy the vampire, or just defeat him? Because one way to get past the "0 hit point maximum" problem is to bury the PC so they come back as a vampire spawn - they seem to come back with a positive hit point total. Then all you need to do is get the newly-risen vampire spawn to drain some blood from their master, kill the now-full vampire and bring them back to life. Too easy! I'm relying here on the "Player Characters as Vampires" inset and "Born from Death" section of the Vampires MM entry. The process really vague and probably doesn't lend itself to the strict RAW approach being used in this thread by some (including, it appears, the OP's DM), but that pathway does seem to exist in the "rules" for vampires. There are some complications. Vampire spawn are described as being "under the control of the vampire that created them". How does that work? If your DM rules it works like "Dominate Person" - ie, telepathic and requiring no actions - then I think you're down to trying to convince the master vampire to allow their spawn to draw their blood, which sounds unpleasant. Otherwise you could stake and gag the vampire, and then let the spawn loose on them (hoping, of course, the spawn doesn't choose to try and free their master). There's also some unhelpful language in "Raise Dead" about not bringing undead back to life. In the context of this situation that's really unclear - is it just saying that "Raise Dead" cannot re-animate a destroyed undead, or is it meant to prevent turning undead back into living people? If it's the latter, you'd need to use "Resurrection", a 7th level spell, which doesn't have that language. Finally, if you want to lean on the RAW interpretation, there's nothing that says vampire spawn are not created simply because their master vampire is dead - you could argue they are instead created as free-willed spawn. Similarly, nothing says it has to be their master's blood which turns them into a "real boy" full vampire. I think those arguments are a bit weak, but it might be worth trying. [/QUOTE]
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