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<blockquote data-quote="Hriston" data-source="post: 7637696" data-attributes="member: 6787503"><p>I’m trying to understand your “resolution” to the vampire bite conundrum. It would help if you engaged with the reasoning I laid out in my post, rather than dismissing it as just my interpretation, so I could understand where our reasonings differ. I’m going to try to piece together what you might think the difference is based on some quotes from your posts. Let me know if I have it right. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I’m not sure what you mean by “the necrotic effect of the vampire’s bite”. One effect of the bite is that it does necrotic damage, which ends instantly after taking away some of your hit points, but I don’t think that’s what you mean. Another effect of the bite is that it also reduces your maximum hit points by the same amount as the necrotic damage you've taken. That effect also ends instantly after reducing your maximum hit points. The thing that lasts is the <strong>reduction</strong>, i.e. your maximum hit points <strong>stay reduced</strong> until you have finished a long rest.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You seem to be using the word "effect" for a lot of different things. In your first paragraph above, you correctly (IMO) refer to the effect that reduces your hit point maximum as an effect of the bite. This is the effect that kills you if it reduces your maximum hit points to 0.</p><p></p><p>In your second paragraph above, however, you seem to be saying that <strong>dying</strong> is the effect and that it's <strong>triggered</strong> by your maximum hit points being reduced to 0. I'm not sure how to make sense of this except to say that dying is a secondary effect of the bite, contingent upon your maximum hit points being reduced to 0 by the primary effect that reduces your maximum hit points. You then go on to say that <strong>the secondary effect</strong> (dying) is the thing that lasts until you finish a long rest. I think you're getting questions about this from people who are reading the rules because the rules say <strong>the reduction</strong>, the fact of your maximum hit points having been reduced, is what lasts until you've finished a long rest, <strong>not</strong> the fact of being dead. Once reduced, your maximum hit points stay reduced until you've finished a long rest. This doesn't imply that once dead, you stay dead until you've finished a long rest. To support this reading, I'd just like to point out that you can't take a long rest if you're dead, so I'm not sure what that sentence would even mean if by "The reduction" the writers meant "Death".</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hriston, post: 7637696, member: 6787503"] I’m trying to understand your “resolution” to the vampire bite conundrum. It would help if you engaged with the reasoning I laid out in my post, rather than dismissing it as just my interpretation, so I could understand where our reasonings differ. I’m going to try to piece together what you might think the difference is based on some quotes from your posts. Let me know if I have it right. I’m not sure what you mean by “the necrotic effect of the vampire’s bite”. One effect of the bite is that it does necrotic damage, which ends instantly after taking away some of your hit points, but I don’t think that’s what you mean. Another effect of the bite is that it also reduces your maximum hit points by the same amount as the necrotic damage you've taken. That effect also ends instantly after reducing your maximum hit points. The thing that lasts is the [B]reduction[/B], i.e. your maximum hit points [B]stay reduced[/B] until you have finished a long rest. You seem to be using the word "effect" for a lot of different things. In your first paragraph above, you correctly (IMO) refer to the effect that reduces your hit point maximum as an effect of the bite. This is the effect that kills you if it reduces your maximum hit points to 0. In your second paragraph above, however, you seem to be saying that [B]dying[/B] is the effect and that it's [B]triggered[/B] by your maximum hit points being reduced to 0. I'm not sure how to make sense of this except to say that dying is a secondary effect of the bite, contingent upon your maximum hit points being reduced to 0 by the primary effect that reduces your maximum hit points. You then go on to say that [B]the secondary effect[/B] (dying) is the thing that lasts until you finish a long rest. I think you're getting questions about this from people who are reading the rules because the rules say [B]the reduction[/B], the fact of your maximum hit points having been reduced, is what lasts until you've finished a long rest, [B]not[/B] the fact of being dead. Once reduced, your maximum hit points stay reduced until you've finished a long rest. This doesn't imply that once dead, you stay dead until you've finished a long rest. To support this reading, I'd just like to point out that you can't take a long rest if you're dead, so I'm not sure what that sentence would even mean if by "The reduction" the writers meant "Death". [/QUOTE]
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