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<blockquote data-quote="tensen" data-source="post: 2012856" data-attributes="member: 3022"><p>First let me say, I appreciate the review.</p><p>Since Dark Quest products are actually designed and implemented seperate from other Natural 20 Press products, we may not have been aware of issue that also effected their products. The issue of an index has been brought up before and will most likely occur in our next product.</p><p></p><p>Hopefully these design note may influence your view on some of the d20 issue you believe occurred. We welcome discussion on the forum, as opposed to within the comments here. As well as welcome anyone to email us with issues or concerns they may have.</p><p></p><p>Chapter 2:</p><p>Lady's Chosen</p><p>One can't pick the prestige class. The most major requirement is that the Diety itself chose the few that become this prestige class. Therefore anyone to be chosen hasn't to be doing something extraordinary in her service to be even noticed. It is the GM (as the Goddess) that choses to give this honor to the player.</p><p>Requires 10 Ranks of Knowledge (religion), which someone has to be 7th level to have that many ranks.</p><p></p><p>Shade Warden</p><p>NPCs of this type are intended to be the equivalent of the anti-paladin to the Lady's Chosen "paladin".</p><p></p><p>Chapter 4:</p><p>These prestige classes are defined to be orders within the organization. For the most part once joining the orders, the character gives up further advancement as a normal cleric. It was found in playtest, that while you could enter these prestige classes at low level, it was actually a hinderance if you entered at too low a level, since they are giving up normal spell progression.</p><p></p><p>Half of the entry levels of the prestige classes depend on the DM, as they are set on ranks within the order, which are not officially designated by "level advancement".</p><p>Harrowed & Accounter</p><p>Requires to be member of the Sorrowed (Full fledged member of the order, the level that occurs is up to the DM.)</p><p>Guardian & Shield</p><p>Requires a member of the Ravens or higher (Beginning in the orders after being fully initiated. The level that this occurs is up to the DM.) </p><p></p><p>Mistress of Flame</p><p>Knowledge (religion) 8 - 5th level characters</p><p>Melancholoy</p><p>Perform 6 - Which allows a bard to enter at 3rd level, but an actual cleric couldn't enter till 9th level since it was a crossclass skill.</p><p>Mysteries</p><p>Cast 3rd level spells - Occurs at 5th level. They gain additional spells, but not normal spell progression, so can never cast higher level spells then when they entered this order.</p><p>Seals</p><p>Need to be at least a 2nd level monk. Gain neither additional clerical ability or monk abilities. </p><p>Sisterhood</p><p>Only needs to be a 4th level or higher female cleric to join this order. Basically it is the equivalent of a cleric becoming a paladin for the abilities it is giving, except instead of gaining spells at higher levels like paladins do, they only have which spells they gained prior to joining this prestige class. The class is intended to be balanced with a standard paladin, and in many cases is actually weaker than one.</p><p></p><p>Chapter 5</p><p>Items listed as priceless are easily balanced... in exactly the same manner as you would balance any artifact from the DMG.</p><p></p><p>The holy symbol section needs an errata. There is supposed to be a paragraph that explains this is optional that the holy symbols may be used to give a variable domain effect, instead of a static single domain effect. It is no different than a standard holy symbol so has no real gp value, since it isn't the holy symbol that is magical, but it is a divine focus for the domain powers.</p><p></p><p>Chapter 7</p><p>Cutting The Cord - One of the points in the spell description must be empahsized. It is used for transgressions against Lady Pale... by followers or former followers. Because it effects the cord to the Lady. This extremely limits the usefulness of the spell, which explains why it is available at 2 levels less than an equivalent generic spell.</p><p>Healing breath - It has some of the effects of a Remove Disease (does not effect parasites, green slime, rot grubs, etc... killing the creatures would be counter to the goddess.) Healing versus Cure Critical: Casting time is 1 round... Cure Critical is 1 action. Maximum healing is 4d8+10 versus Cure Critical of 4d8+20. Healing Breath does not heal from negative, and it will not effect undead. The spell is also not reversable.</p><p>It is feasible that a DM may decide to raise this spell 1 level, For the effects it gives, a Death Domain cleric will most likely chose this over Cure Critical, but someone interested just in healing effects most likely wouldn't. One important thing to note... it is not a "cure" spell, so can not be chosen for spontaneous casting. A equivalent pure healing spell at 5th level would heal 5d8 with a max of 25. Or using a 9th level caster casting this 5th Level Healing spell, versus Healing Breath at 5th level would heal on average (29 hp versus 25) not a lot of difference, but the Healing Breath would already max out (at 26hp healed) at a single level above the minimum casting level.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tensen, post: 2012856, member: 3022"] First let me say, I appreciate the review. Since Dark Quest products are actually designed and implemented seperate from other Natural 20 Press products, we may not have been aware of issue that also effected their products. The issue of an index has been brought up before and will most likely occur in our next product. Hopefully these design note may influence your view on some of the d20 issue you believe occurred. We welcome discussion on the forum, as opposed to within the comments here. As well as welcome anyone to email us with issues or concerns they may have. Chapter 2: Lady's Chosen One can't pick the prestige class. The most major requirement is that the Diety itself chose the few that become this prestige class. Therefore anyone to be chosen hasn't to be doing something extraordinary in her service to be even noticed. It is the GM (as the Goddess) that choses to give this honor to the player. Requires 10 Ranks of Knowledge (religion), which someone has to be 7th level to have that many ranks. Shade Warden NPCs of this type are intended to be the equivalent of the anti-paladin to the Lady's Chosen "paladin". Chapter 4: These prestige classes are defined to be orders within the organization. For the most part once joining the orders, the character gives up further advancement as a normal cleric. It was found in playtest, that while you could enter these prestige classes at low level, it was actually a hinderance if you entered at too low a level, since they are giving up normal spell progression. Half of the entry levels of the prestige classes depend on the DM, as they are set on ranks within the order, which are not officially designated by "level advancement". Harrowed & Accounter Requires to be member of the Sorrowed (Full fledged member of the order, the level that occurs is up to the DM.) Guardian & Shield Requires a member of the Ravens or higher (Beginning in the orders after being fully initiated. The level that this occurs is up to the DM.) Mistress of Flame Knowledge (religion) 8 - 5th level characters Melancholoy Perform 6 - Which allows a bard to enter at 3rd level, but an actual cleric couldn't enter till 9th level since it was a crossclass skill. Mysteries Cast 3rd level spells - Occurs at 5th level. They gain additional spells, but not normal spell progression, so can never cast higher level spells then when they entered this order. Seals Need to be at least a 2nd level monk. Gain neither additional clerical ability or monk abilities. Sisterhood Only needs to be a 4th level or higher female cleric to join this order. Basically it is the equivalent of a cleric becoming a paladin for the abilities it is giving, except instead of gaining spells at higher levels like paladins do, they only have which spells they gained prior to joining this prestige class. The class is intended to be balanced with a standard paladin, and in many cases is actually weaker than one. Chapter 5 Items listed as priceless are easily balanced... in exactly the same manner as you would balance any artifact from the DMG. The holy symbol section needs an errata. There is supposed to be a paragraph that explains this is optional that the holy symbols may be used to give a variable domain effect, instead of a static single domain effect. It is no different than a standard holy symbol so has no real gp value, since it isn't the holy symbol that is magical, but it is a divine focus for the domain powers. Chapter 7 Cutting The Cord - One of the points in the spell description must be empahsized. It is used for transgressions against Lady Pale... by followers or former followers. Because it effects the cord to the Lady. This extremely limits the usefulness of the spell, which explains why it is available at 2 levels less than an equivalent generic spell. Healing breath - It has some of the effects of a Remove Disease (does not effect parasites, green slime, rot grubs, etc... killing the creatures would be counter to the goddess.) Healing versus Cure Critical: Casting time is 1 round... Cure Critical is 1 action. Maximum healing is 4d8+10 versus Cure Critical of 4d8+20. Healing Breath does not heal from negative, and it will not effect undead. The spell is also not reversable. It is feasible that a DM may decide to raise this spell 1 level, For the effects it gives, a Death Domain cleric will most likely chose this over Cure Critical, but someone interested just in healing effects most likely wouldn't. One important thing to note... it is not a "cure" spell, so can not be chosen for spontaneous casting. A equivalent pure healing spell at 5th level would heal 5d8 with a max of 25. Or using a 9th level caster casting this 5th Level Healing spell, versus Healing Breath at 5th level would heal on average (29 hp versus 25) not a lot of difference, but the Healing Breath would already max out (at 26hp healed) at a single level above the minimum casting level. [/QUOTE]
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