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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Herremann the Wise" data-source="post: 4472098" data-attributes="member: 11300">If an encounter is tough enough that it can send two characters quickly into the negatives, then either:- The PCs have launched themselves into an encounter too difficult for them or without enough caution or good tactics.- The DMs playing hardball- The PCs were just plain unlucky.In the games I have played in so far, we have not had more than 1 character down at any one time. I've played a Tiefling Warlord (Int/Tactical) farely well I think and perhaps that has helped balance things out, buffering dangerous situations so that certain characters survive. I've wondered actually how our group would have gone if I was playing a cleric, rather than a tactically based warlord - maybe quite a bit worse. Warlords seem to be very handy in this respect.One thing I have noticed in the games I have played is:- Players perceive 4E as less deadly.- Players playing the WotC modules expect them to be balanced/not too deadly. (Irontooth was obviously and will obviously be a surprise for some).As such, players foist their characters into situations expecting them to survive and thus perhaps react expediently to an encounter rather than tactically. This actually shifts a fair amount of advantage towards the DMs side of the screen - thus making 4E quite deadly.Best RegardsHerremann the Wise</blockquote>