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<blockquote data-quote="BobTheNob" data-source="post: 5121968" data-attributes="member: 82425">Gotta correct you on that, I had read the entire post, and I was still frothing at the mouth and seeing red. For me personally I have seen the effect level drain has on a group. I have seen players charge out of the room in flat out disgust never to be seen again! I have seen players quite ingobaly run from battle and let their friends cop it on their behalf. I have seen the feuds and disatisfaction with the game in general.&nbsp;Rule 0 is &quot;Have Fun&quot;. Level drain isnt fun, and THAT is why I see red. As a DM I consider it my job to make the game fun for all involved, and no-one has fun when you do this to them. When my players dont have fun, I dont have fun.&nbsp;I do however acknowledge Eric's the point with regards to tension factor and nature of the game. If you were playing Ravenloft (or another horror theme), permanent damage is part of the scare factor, but I would also say that perhaps 4e isnt the system I would play for such a campaign.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="BobTheNob, post: 5121968, member: 82425"] Gotta correct you on that, I had read the entire post, and I was still frothing at the mouth and seeing red. For me personally I have seen the effect level drain has on a group. I have seen players charge out of the room in flat out disgust never to be seen again! I have seen players quite ingobaly run from battle and let their friends cop it on their behalf. I have seen the feuds and disatisfaction with the game in general. Rule 0 is "Have Fun". Level drain isnt fun, and THAT is why I see red. As a DM I consider it my job to make the game fun for all involved, and no-one has fun when you do this to them. When my players dont have fun, I dont have fun. I do however acknowledge Eric's the point with regards to tension factor and nature of the game. If you were playing Ravenloft (or another horror theme), permanent damage is part of the scare factor, but I would also say that perhaps 4e isnt the system I would play for such a campaign. [/QUOTE]

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