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<blockquote data-quote="Sagan Darkside" data-source="post: 652939" data-attributes="member: 9270">Re: Re: Re: Re: Debunking the myth there are no &quot;heroes&quot; in &quot;A Song of Ice &amp; FireLets see if the forum can handle this attempt of a reply...1) A lack of personal ambition is not relevant to the evil nature of a person.2) As I have said, Good/Evil people are complex- not every individual action betrays who they are philoshically. One act could, but it always needs to be taken into the context of the situation. I will say that any &quot;lines I draw&quot; at the moment are done with a slight hesitation to wait until the final book is read, but I hold no such reservation when it comes to Jamie.&nbsp;They're are different, but not radically different. I hold no sympathy for evil people- they deserve whatever suffering their behavior has brought upon them. Nor do I understand those that do hold sympathy for evil people. Note- that is not an invitiation for a discussion of why people might give such sympathy. This is not the proper place for such a discussion.&nbsp;Err.. and? My point was that one did not have to decide between labelling someone as Good/Evil versus labelling them as complex. I apologize for this matter becoming so complicated.I do believe in moral absolutism. &nbsp;We can look at the general forum to see the huge disagreements on the nature of d&amp;d alignments. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> Even trying to make such a label could started a dreaded alignment debate. However, you do make a good point. But...&nbsp;.. my views on morality don't easily fit into the context of the d&amp;d alignments. I also think something can be loss in such a forced translation. I am better able to serve a discussion on the book using my own moral standards.For example- I don't completely agree with King Stannis's interpretation of the character Stannis, but I enjoy/respect his thoughts on the matter. While he may be able to shoehorn his views into the d&amp;d model, I think it would not serve his opinion. (Though, it is ironic, the d&amp;d context does fit my view of that character.)Have a good eveningSD</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Sagan Darkside, post: 652939, member: 9270"] [b]Re: Re: Re: Re: Debunking the myth there are no "heroes" in "A Song of Ice & Fire[/b] Lets see if the forum can handle this attempt of a reply... 1) A lack of personal ambition is not relevant to the evil nature of a person. 2) As I have said, Good/Evil people are complex- not every individual action betrays who they are philoshically. One act could, but it always needs to be taken into the context of the situation. I will say that any "lines I draw" at the moment are done with a slight hesitation to wait until the final book is read, but I hold no such reservation when it comes to Jamie. They're are different, but not radically different. I hold no sympathy for evil people- they deserve whatever suffering their behavior has brought upon them. Nor do I understand those that do hold sympathy for evil people. Note- that is not an invitiation for a discussion of why people might give such sympathy. This is not the proper place for such a discussion. Err.. and? My point was that one did not have to decide between labelling someone as Good/Evil versus labelling them as complex. I apologize for this matter becoming so complicated. I do believe in moral absolutism. We can look at the general forum to see the huge disagreements on the nature of d&d alignments. ;) Even trying to make such a label could started a dreaded alignment debate. However, you do make a good point. But... .. my views on morality don't easily fit into the context of the d&d alignments. I also think something can be loss in such a forced translation. I am better able to serve a discussion on the book using my own moral standards. For example- I don't completely agree with King Stannis's interpretation of the character Stannis, but I enjoy/respect his thoughts on the matter. While he may be able to shoehorn his views into the d&d model, I think it would not serve his opinion. (Though, it is ironic, the d&d context does fit my view of that character.) Have a good evening SD [/QUOTE]

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