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<blockquote data-quote="jdavis" data-source="post: 653039" data-attributes="member: 8704">AH HA, so in this is Martin closer to Shakespeare than to the other thousands of fantasy writers past and present?&nbsp;&nbsp; EDIT&nbsp;&nbsp; . The point is that Martin's characters have a depth that most Fantasy Book Characters do not. Just how deep was Aragorn or Gandalf, was there any question that Frodo was going to be the hero? Was there any question that Sauron was evil? How many fantasy books out there have characters that are as hard to put a label on as Stannis or Jamie, I mean we really don't know if they will turn out to be hero's or villians by the end of the book, for that matter Tryion the dwarf is about the most evil, self centered Hero I have ever read about, but he definatly is trying to be on the good side. Very few of the characters in this book would ever be considered role models. Most fantasy books have characters that you can tell from page one who will be the good guys and the bad guys.&nbsp;&nbsp; EDIT&nbsp; , it's comparing this book to other fantasy books and comparing the depth of these characters to the depth of other characters from other fantasy books. It's all about people not thinking there are heroes in this book because they are not used to seeing these types of heroes in most fantasy books.&nbsp; EDIT&nbsp;&nbsp; If these characters were in the real world 99% of them would be in prison for murder.EDITED:removed my big mouth from post, sorry I'm a ass.<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin&nbsp; &nbsp; :D"&nbsp; data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="jdavis, post: 653039, member: 8704"] AH HA, so in this is Martin closer to Shakespeare than to the other thousands of fantasy writers past and present? EDIT . The point is that Martin's characters have a depth that most Fantasy Book Characters do not. Just how deep was Aragorn or Gandalf, was there any question that Frodo was going to be the hero? Was there any question that Sauron was evil? How many fantasy books out there have characters that are as hard to put a label on as Stannis or Jamie, I mean we really don't know if they will turn out to be hero's or villians by the end of the book, for that matter Tryion the dwarf is about the most evil, self centered Hero I have ever read about, but he definatly is trying to be on the good side. Very few of the characters in this book would ever be considered role models. Most fantasy books have characters that you can tell from page one who will be the good guys and the bad guys. EDIT , it's comparing this book to other fantasy books and comparing the depth of these characters to the depth of other characters from other fantasy books. It's all about people not thinking there are heroes in this book because they are not used to seeing these types of heroes in most fantasy books. EDIT If these characters were in the real world 99% of them would be in prison for murder. EDITED:removed my big mouth from post, sorry I'm a ass.:D [/QUOTE]

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