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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tiefling" data-source="post: 665980" data-attributes="member: 251">GRRM has confirmed that this is the case.You probably shouldn't have brought it up, then. Stating your opinion on an issue and then telling people that they're not allowed to respond is pretty low.Personally, I think that letting people suffer from past transgressions does nothing to help the world and could quite possibly make things worse. I believe it is preferable to help people overcome whatever mental conditions or abuse or cultural beliefs they have that would cause them to do such things.Now, I'm not saying that this is an invalid opinion. I've heard other people say same thing. But they never seem to give their reasons, and therefore I can never understand why they think that way. So could you explain?I think you misunderstand what moral relativism is. It's not some personal belief that codes of behavior are irrelevant, it's a belief that morality varies by culture. In other words, if you grow up in a culture that (for example) emphasizes the right of the strong to abuse the weak (such as Dothraki culture, if we're talking about the books) then you're not evil for acting along those moral lines. They've been hammered into your head since childhood, and you never think twice about their validity.Anyway...I'm really waiting for Sansa right now. In the first book she was pretty boring, the next two books make her more interesting and the end of the third book sets her up to possibly become one of the coolest characters later on. People who've attended GRRM's readings from A Feast for Crows reported on the ASOIAF board that her first chapter ends with her telling Petyr Baelish something (forget what) because "that's what he would like to hear." Perhaps she'll learn from Baelish and become a real player. Although it's unlikely, I think it would be cool if she turns in to a much more interesting and complex Cersei.Some people complain about Jon Snow because his major disadvantage and internal conflict, his bastard blood, has been marginalized by joining the Night's Watch. This changes a bit at the end of the third book, and perhaps it will re-emerge in the next ones. Here's hoping.I'm not sure Tywin Lannister is such an evil character, really. There's no denying that he's ruthless (I don't know who Ruth is, but he doesn't have her). I can never forgive him for his treatment of Tyrion, but I understand his reasons, in the same way that I can never forgive Catelyn for her treatment of Jon Snow, but I understand her reasons. After all, his wife, who he is said to have loved very much, died when Tyrion was born. He recognized what Cersei was, what Joffrey became, and why Tommen had to be seperated from her. His major "evil" acts? Well, he was partially responsible with what happened to Alayaya, I can't argue with that. And, of course, he helped arrange the Red Wedding. I dunno if that's more evil than having thousands of soldiers and peasants die as the result of a drawn out war. And he did make known to Tyrion his displeasure at *ahem* the treatment of the dead.Jaime. Well, I'm not sure that he's evil either. Even if you faulted him for killing Aerys initially (which I didn't), can you still hold it against him after what he tells Brienne in the third book? His evil thing is having his men kill Ned's in the first book. Not a nice thing to do, but Ned did claim that he had ordered Catelyn to kidnap Jaime's brother. I wouldn't be so happy about that either. Oh, and throwing Bran out the window (happened so early I've almost forgotten). I can't argue with that, though clearly he believed that Bran was spying on them. Still, I think Jaime's realizing what he has become, and isn't happy about it. The only other bad thing I can think of him doing (constantly mocking most everyone, especially Brienne) doesn't qualify him as evil, even if I did classify people as good or evil.Catelyn always bothered me, not so much for her treatment of Jon, as explained above, but because she was always so whiny, going on about how she had failed in her duty, and Oh! her poor Ned! and Robb is so young to bear the burden of a crown and so on.But who's the most interesting and complex character is? Gregor Clegane. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>

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