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Debunking the myth there are no "heroes" in "A Song of Ice & Fire"
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<blockquote data-quote="jdavis" data-source="post: 666393" data-attributes="member: 8704"><p>I've already blown up and had to edit a post on this one, this is a thread about a book not about real world morals, almost everybody in this book is a murderer by modern standards, so lets get over that. That is a off topic discussion for the general forum. I like these books and want to talk about these books here. </p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>I think the big thing here with Jamie is that he is starting to realize that he is a vile evil person (who sleeps with his sister) and is not happy about it. He really doesn't seem to like himself all that well. He is evil in the first two books, but by the end of the third he is swinging away from it, who knows where he will end up (he's on the 12 step program to overcoming incest and attepted child murder). I think that his captivity and maiming, not to metion being stuck with Brienne have had a affect on him. Now trying to murder a child is evil regardless of the circumstances, of course he is so much of a pawn for his sister that you have to question if he is even in control of himself in the earlier books. Seeing the truth about his relationships with his brother and his sister are having a affect on him. </p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>Jon Snow is my favorite character in the book, he is the good guy, I never really saw him get angry about being a bastard, he just sort of dealt with it, he never whined about not being a full member of the family ( I don't care for Catelyn where this issue stands either) he just made his own way in the world, heck he has had the chance to go back and inherit but he chose to stay on the wall. He does what is right regardless of the cost to himself. I figure he will end up a larger part of the next couple of books. From the start I had him pegged as who the story was really about, I figure he will move to the center as time goes by.</p><p></p><p>I am quite fond of Tyrion too. He does some pretty nasty and evil things but it would be hard to call him evil, there always seems to be justification for what he does no matter how bad or evil it is. He has been in the center of the story for awhile now and I figure he will stay important.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="jdavis, post: 666393, member: 8704"] I've already blown up and had to edit a post on this one, this is a thread about a book not about real world morals, almost everybody in this book is a murderer by modern standards, so lets get over that. That is a off topic discussion for the general forum. I like these books and want to talk about these books here. I think the big thing here with Jamie is that he is starting to realize that he is a vile evil person (who sleeps with his sister) and is not happy about it. He really doesn't seem to like himself all that well. He is evil in the first two books, but by the end of the third he is swinging away from it, who knows where he will end up (he's on the 12 step program to overcoming incest and attepted child murder). I think that his captivity and maiming, not to metion being stuck with Brienne have had a affect on him. Now trying to murder a child is evil regardless of the circumstances, of course he is so much of a pawn for his sister that you have to question if he is even in control of himself in the earlier books. Seeing the truth about his relationships with his brother and his sister are having a affect on him. Jon Snow is my favorite character in the book, he is the good guy, I never really saw him get angry about being a bastard, he just sort of dealt with it, he never whined about not being a full member of the family ( I don't care for Catelyn where this issue stands either) he just made his own way in the world, heck he has had the chance to go back and inherit but he chose to stay on the wall. He does what is right regardless of the cost to himself. I figure he will end up a larger part of the next couple of books. From the start I had him pegged as who the story was really about, I figure he will move to the center as time goes by. I am quite fond of Tyrion too. He does some pretty nasty and evil things but it would be hard to call him evil, there always seems to be justification for what he does no matter how bad or evil it is. He has been in the center of the story for awhile now and I figure he will stay important. [/QUOTE]
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