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<blockquote data-quote="jgsugden" data-source="post: 6906817" data-attributes="member: 2629">There is a lot of advice from Crawford out there on this topic.&nbsp; There are obvious physical and verbal elements to spellcasting, but you can disguise them, hide them or obscure them if you're smart.&nbsp; Casting a spell in a loud and bustling marketplace, even when it involves huge gestures and loud speaking, might go unnoticed by the target.&nbsp; If the spell has no obvious signs, the target may never know it was the subject of a spell.&nbsp; That is all well explained in the rules / advice.If you have a quiet room, the spellcaster is mere feet from the target and the spell has verbal and somatic components ... well, you need to be able to mislead the target if you want them to not realize you've cast a spell.&nbsp; Do you have an excuse for the gestures, weird speech and bat guano you're flinging / bell you're chiming / etc...?&nbsp; Those things might not be too out of place if they come from someone that looks like a crazy person... or might seem perfectly logical as part of a blessing or ceremony.&nbsp;&nbsp; Can the spellcaster pull off such a ruse?&nbsp; Sounds like a roleplaying challenge to me.In the end, I think the proper question is not, &quot;What is too powerful?&quot;&nbsp; I think the question to be asked when a PC wants to pull this type of thing off is, &quot;What is the most fun way to proceed?&quot;</blockquote>

[QUOTE="jgsugden, post: 6906817, member: 2629"] There is a lot of advice from Crawford out there on this topic. There are obvious physical and verbal elements to spellcasting, but you can disguise them, hide them or obscure them if you're smart. Casting a spell in a loud and bustling marketplace, even when it involves huge gestures and loud speaking, might go unnoticed by the target. If the spell has no obvious signs, the target may never know it was the subject of a spell. That is all well explained in the rules / advice. If you have a quiet room, the spellcaster is mere feet from the target and the spell has verbal and somatic components ... well, you need to be able to mislead the target if you want them to not realize you've cast a spell. Do you have an excuse for the gestures, weird speech and bat guano you're flinging / bell you're chiming / etc...? Those things might not be too out of place if they come from someone that looks like a crazy person... or might seem perfectly logical as part of a blessing or ceremony. Can the spellcaster pull off such a ruse? Sounds like a roleplaying challenge to me. In the end, I think the proper question is not, "What is too powerful?" I think the question to be asked when a PC wants to pull this type of thing off is, "What is the most fun way to proceed?" [/QUOTE]

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