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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Al" data-source="post: 216536" data-attributes="member: 2486">Ah, yes hong, how amusing it is to hear the flames of newbies.  And especially funny to be called a geek by someone who has a nickname 'pyrobob', lists his residence as the Elemental Plane of Fire and has his signature as Lord of all he burns, no?But back to your main substantive, which was well-thought-out and considerable.Regarding spells and feats, I would still say that it is unfair to compare the two.  As you rightly point out, without his feats, the fighter is nothing but a warrior with extra hit points.  But what of the wizard without his spells?  Suddenly he becomes a commoner with a pet and a penchant for speaking in strange languages.  Spells make the wizard much more than feats make the fighter- this is clear simply by seeing what remains when they are removed.Furthermore, my point is that one must compare like-with-like.  Granted, feats and spells are designed for the same purpose (essentially damage maximisation in these examples) but the mechanic is radically different.  I would hope that if I were to introduce a once per day feat that allowed the fighter to cast Time Stop, it would be rapidly dismissed as the work of a lunatic: yet you seem to imply that there ought to be some sort of parity.Lightning Reflexes against Improved Evasion, I concede, is probably a bad example.  Yet if we take normal Evasion, this is a 1st level monk ability.  I have little doubt that in terms of damage avoidance, Evasion wins over Lightning Reflexes- the only time when Lightning Reflexes is preferable is for Reflex negates spell or Reflex half spells where one needs to save on exactly a 20.With regard to PrCs, this was merely an extension.  Comparing feats with spells is to compare feats with a class ability, and since (in theory) prestige classes are on parity with normal classes, extending the comparison to prestige class abilities is perfectly rational.Your final point is an interesting one.  I cannot contend with the fundamental premise, that wizards will get the glory for downing the big bosses, but all I can say in reply is that were it not for the fighters, the wizards would have blown out their resources on the mooks and not be able to compete against the bosses.  Besides, fighters have never been the most glamorous or glorious class- glory-hunters would be best suited as wizards or sorcerors.</blockquote>

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