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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 8603874" data-attributes="member: 23751">What you are missing is that in his scenario, his in inappropriately playing the PC in order to win initiative.  He doesn't get to tell me that my PC is deciding how to throw, or that I paused in mid throw to mind my surroundings.  I decide those things for my character.  He could say that the fighter is 3 times faster than the fastest human to ever live and somehow can move faster than an arm swing, but that sort of supernatural speed needs to have a discoverable in fiction reason for existing.  "I won initiative" doesn't cut it.You are also missing that in my scenario there IS 1) an in-fiction reason for playing the DM controlling the barbarian, and 2) there is not an in-fiction reason for the barbarian auto winning initiative like there is with the dagger throw.</blockquote>