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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 8603928" data-attributes="member: 23751"><p>In my example the PC isn't even whipping out a dagger. I stated very specifically that it was already in hand. All he had to do was throw. There's no way that the fighter is going to beat that, even if he is aware of the danger. He's 30 feet away and at a standstill during the negotiations. Even if he sees the very instant the arm starts to move and begins to react, he's not going to cross 30 feet while pulling out a greatsword and then attack before that dagger is loosed in his direction.</p><p></p><p>Edit: 5e is a rulings over rules edition that repeatedly tell the DM that the rules serve him, not the other way around. If there's a situation where something utterly absurd would happen if the rules are followed, then it's good DMing to override that. In this example, though, it's not even outside the rules for the DM to state that the thrower automatically wins initiative. It follows RAW exactly.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 8603928, member: 23751"] In my example the PC isn't even whipping out a dagger. I stated very specifically that it was already in hand. All he had to do was throw. There's no way that the fighter is going to beat that, even if he is aware of the danger. He's 30 feet away and at a standstill during the negotiations. Even if he sees the very instant the arm starts to move and begins to react, he's not going to cross 30 feet while pulling out a greatsword and then attack before that dagger is loosed in his direction. Edit: 5e is a rulings over rules edition that repeatedly tell the DM that the rules serve him, not the other way around. If there's a situation where something utterly absurd would happen if the rules are followed, then it's good DMing to override that. In this example, though, it's not even outside the rules for the DM to state that the thrower automatically wins initiative. It follows RAW exactly. [/QUOTE]
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