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<blockquote data-quote="Flamestrike" data-source="post: 8604001" data-attributes="member: 6788736">Another example.Your PC is in a magic item shop in town, trying to buy a +1 Sword from a vendor. As he enters he spots an NPC selling one to the Vendor for 1000gp, 500 more than you have on you. You decide to Leeroy Jenkins that sucker and take him down. All three parties are aware of each other and no-one is hidden.You (as your PC): DM, screw this. I draw my sword and run through the NPC and take his sword!DM: Errr... OK mate, It's your funeral. As you reach for your sword, you see both NPCs eyes widen in horror, as they turn in your direction. The Vendors starts chanting some arcane language, and the guy with the Sword hold it in his hands effortlessly, clearly a capable warrior himself. Roll initiative.Actions then occur in turn order as normal.That's the RAW, the stated intent of the authors (as expressly stated in the video above) and it makes sense narratively as long as you make it make sense.Granting surprise simply because a Player or Monster screamed out 'I ATTACK' first is the consequence of failing to adhere to the RAW, and with the extreme advantage of a whole extra turn in 5E (and depriving people of reactions) being severe, it's something to be avoided.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Flamestrike, post: 8604001, member: 6788736"] [B]Another example.[/B] Your PC is in a magic item shop in town, trying to buy a +1 Sword from a vendor. As he enters he spots an NPC selling one to the Vendor for 1000gp, 500 more than you have on you. You decide to Leeroy Jenkins that sucker and take him down. All three parties are aware of each other and no-one is hidden. [B]You (as your PC):[/B] DM, screw this. I draw my sword and run through the NPC and take his sword! [B]DM:[/B] Errr... OK mate, It's your funeral. As you reach for your sword, you see both NPCs eyes widen in horror, as they turn in your direction. The Vendors starts chanting some arcane language, and the guy with the Sword hold it in his hands effortlessly, clearly a capable warrior himself. [I]Roll initiative.[/I] Actions then occur in turn order as normal. That's the RAW, the stated intent of the authors (as expressly stated in the video above) and it makes sense narratively as long as you make it make sense. Granting surprise simply because a Player or Monster screamed out 'I ATTACK' first is the consequence of failing to adhere to the RAW, and with the extreme advantage of a whole extra turn in 5E (and depriving people of reactions) being severe, it's something to be avoided. [/QUOTE]

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