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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 8604763" data-attributes="member: 23751">Well, yes.&nbsp; That's why I've been saying that this is all very circumstantial.&nbsp; In some circumstances it will be appropriate for me to invoke the Rules as Written to give automatically successful initiative to a PC or NPC, and in others(most others) it won't be appropriate.&nbsp; I noticed you didn't respond to the proof you asked me for and I provided in post #100. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />This I agree with.&nbsp; A king's table would be waaaaaay beyond those without the strength of Thor or Hercules to flip. Maybe a 20 strength barbarian who gets under the table and uses his legs and leverage could slowly tip it over, but it's hardly going to be surprising at that point. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":P" title="Stick out tongue&nbsp; &nbsp; :P"&nbsp; data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":P" />A table at the tavern talking with a trusted employer, though.&nbsp; That could work for what [USER=29398]@Lanefan[/USER] is saying.Yes and no.&nbsp; There has to be an act(not action) that starts the combat.&nbsp; A declaration by itself does nothing, because literally nothing has happened.&nbsp; A barbarian says he charges at the orcs.&nbsp; In the game the charge(movement and attack) hasn't happened yet, but in the fiction the barbarian has started to yell, lower his body and take the first step forward(the act).&nbsp; This starts the combat and initiative is rolled.&nbsp; A rogue declares that he is reaching for his dagger to throw at the courier that he just detected is a vampire.&nbsp; In the game the action hasn't happened yet, but in the fiction the rogue's hand is suddenly moving towards his dagger(the act) and initiative is rolled.&nbsp; That act starts the combat.If you try to trigger combat only off of a declaration and not an act, then in the fiction that barbarian is still non-offensively standing around and the rogue is just talking to the courier. There's literally nothing to trigger a combat and initiative roll.So acts start the combat, but the declared combat actions themselves haven't happened yet.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 8604763, member: 23751"] Well, yes. That's why I've been saying that this is all very circumstantial. In[B] some[/B] circumstances it will be appropriate for me to invoke the Rules as Written to give automatically successful initiative to a PC or NPC, and in others(most others) it won't be appropriate. I noticed you didn't respond to the proof you asked me for and I provided in post #100. ;) This I agree with. A king's table would be waaaaaay beyond those without the strength of Thor or Hercules to flip. Maybe a 20 strength barbarian who gets under the table and uses his legs and leverage could slowly tip it over, but it's hardly going to be surprising at that point. :P A table at the tavern talking with a trusted employer, though. That could work for what [USER=29398]@Lanefan[/USER] is saying. Yes and no. There has to be an act(not action) that starts the combat. A declaration by itself does nothing, because literally nothing has happened. A barbarian says he charges at the orcs. In the game the charge(movement and attack) hasn't happened yet, but in the fiction the barbarian has started to yell, lower his body and take the first step forward(the act). This starts the combat and initiative is rolled. A rogue declares that he is reaching for his dagger to throw at the courier that he just detected is a vampire. In the game the action hasn't happened yet, but in the fiction the rogue's hand is suddenly moving towards his dagger(the act) and initiative is rolled. That act starts the combat. If you try to trigger combat only off of a declaration and not an act, then in the fiction that barbarian is still non-offensively standing around and the rogue is just talking to the courier. There's literally nothing to trigger a combat and initiative roll. So acts start the combat, but the declared combat actions themselves haven't happened yet. [/QUOTE]

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