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<blockquote data-quote="Lyxen" data-source="post: 8604812" data-attributes="member: 7032025">Since it's what I've been saying from the start, I'm happy with this, my point being that in most circumstances it works perfectly as written and after that, in 5e spirit, there are local rulings or interpretations.No, I did not since it's honestly a very bizarre reading that aas usual leads o contradictions as someone else has already pointed out and frankly I did not feel up debating on that. But since you insist, I will go and trounce it soundly. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue&nbsp; &nbsp; :p"&nbsp; data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />It might, but then it's such a standard tavern brawl thing that it would not be surprising, it would be expected. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue&nbsp; &nbsp; :p"&nbsp; data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />And I don't need to add anything to show that your interpretation does not work, since the act/action itself (throwing a dagger) cannot both start the combat and having not happened yet. You have contradicted yourself once more, proving that it's the intent of the action that starts the fight (and possibly the premises of it, like putting your hand on a weapon, reaching inside your jacket, etc. or just taking a more agressive stance), but that the actual act/action only happens during combat after initiative has been rolled and is therefore subject to that order.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Lyxen, post: 8604812, member: 7032025"] Since it's what I've been saying from the start, I'm happy with this, my point being that in most circumstances it works perfectly as written and after that, in 5e spirit, there are local rulings or interpretations. No, I did not since it's honestly a very bizarre reading that aas usual leads o contradictions as someone else has already pointed out and frankly I did not feel up debating on that. But since you insist, I will go and trounce it soundly. :p It might, but then it's such a standard tavern brawl thing that it would not be surprising, it would be expected. :p And I don't need to add anything to show that your interpretation does not work, since the act/action itself (throwing a dagger) cannot both start the combat and having not happened yet. You have contradicted yourself once more, proving that it's the intent of the action that starts the fight (and possibly the premises of it, like putting your hand on a weapon, reaching inside your jacket, etc. or just taking a more agressive stance), but that the actual act/action only happens during combat after initiative has been rolled and is therefore subject to that order. [/QUOTE]

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