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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lanefan" data-source="post: 8605126" data-attributes="member: 29398">If more than one person in the scene tries to "move first" then some sort of sub-initiative would make sense, just between those actors, to see who really did move first.Agreed, to a point.  Yes it helps to sort out order of actions - but only when everyone is (or could be) acting.  If only a few are acting right at the start, nobody else should get an initiative in that mini-round.I'm also very highly in favour of somehow re-rolling or otherwise randomizing the initiative order each round, both to reflect the fog-of-war chaos and so as to negate the idea of players planning their actions based only on the metagame turn order.Yeah, were it me I'd have surprise as a separate roll disconnected from initiative.</blockquote>