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<blockquote data-quote="Lyxen" data-source="post: 8605586" data-attributes="member: 7032025">Oh, so then it applies, and it has to be rolled all the time, you finally agree ?And again NO, it's not, sorry, not in the areas where, being more SPECIFIC, it OVERRIDES the more general rules of ability checks. Honestly, are you still arguing that the general rule of ability checks is not modified by the more specific rule about initiative, that you have, just above, agreed applied all the time ?Of course some are exempt, you really should read again the section on specific beating general: &quot; For instance, many adventurers don’t have proficiency with longbows, but every wood elf does because of a racial trait. That trait creates a minor exception in the game.&quot; Does the general rule about longbows needing proficiency apply ? No, it does not to wood elves.Does the general rule of a dexterity check being subject to an outcome being in doubt apply ROLLING initiative ? No, in this case, initiative specifically mentions rolling TWICE in the same sentence, so the specific overrides the general.And then the specific rule of initiative tells you to ROLL initiative, overriding the rule of ability checks. Notice how specific that sentence is, compared to all the other examples in the book that simply tell you to make an ability check.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Lyxen, post: 8605586, member: 7032025"] Oh, so then it applies, and it has to be rolled all the time, you finally agree ? And again NO, it's not, sorry, not in the areas where, being more SPECIFIC, it OVERRIDES the more general rules of ability checks. Honestly, are you still arguing that the general rule of ability checks is not modified by the more specific rule about initiative, that you have, just above, agreed applied all the time ? Of course some are exempt, you really should read again the section on specific beating general: " For instance, many adventurers don’t have proficiency with longbows, but every wood elf does because of a racial trait. That trait creates a minor exception in the game." Does the general rule about longbows needing proficiency apply ? No, it does not to wood elves. Does the general rule of a dexterity check being subject to an outcome being in doubt apply ROLLING initiative ? No, in this case, initiative specifically mentions rolling TWICE in the same sentence, so the specific overrides the general. And then the specific rule of initiative tells you to ROLL initiative, overriding the rule of ability checks. Notice how specific that sentence is, compared to all the other examples in the book that simply tell you to make an ability check. [/QUOTE]

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