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<blockquote data-quote="Lyxen" data-source="post: 8605809" data-attributes="member: 7032025">No, actually they don't. I know where that section is and it's not in the ability check, and it's not a rule. And it also actually does not apply to initiative because of the way it's formulated, unless you can explain to me what a &quot;success&quot; is with initiative, which is such a specific check that it does not give success or failure against a DC or another roll, it just gives the ordering of the turn.But please, do show us your mastery of the rules by providing that rule if you think it exists, I'll be waiting.First, not, it's not specific at all, it's a general rule about ability checks, much less specific that the very specific dexterity check used for initiative that does not even provide success or failure.And that has no meaning for initiative, which is why the system mandates a roll, not a check (yes, the wording is specific and I've noticed the fact that you have not even responded to that, showing that you know you were wrong about it). <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue&nbsp; &nbsp; :p"&nbsp; data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />And once more, you are rewriting what the rules say instead of reading them: &quot;A passive check is a special kind of ability check that doesn’t involve any die rolls&quot; So the rules tell you expressly that it's not a die roll. Your interpretation has, as usual, no value since you don't even read the rules.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Lyxen, post: 8605809, member: 7032025"] No, actually they don't. I know where that section is and it's not in the ability check, and it's not a rule. And it also actually does not apply to initiative because of the way it's formulated, unless you can explain to me what a "success" is with initiative, which is such a specific check that it does not give success or failure against a DC or another roll, it just gives the ordering of the turn. But please, do show us your mastery of the rules by providing that rule if you think it exists, I'll be waiting. First, not, it's not specific at all, it's a general rule about ability checks, much less specific that the very specific dexterity check used for initiative that does not even provide success or failure. And that has no meaning for initiative, which is why the system mandates a roll, not a check (yes, the wording is specific and I've noticed the fact that you have not even responded to that, showing that you know you were wrong about it). :p And once more, you are rewriting what the rules say instead of reading them: "A passive check is a special kind of ability check [B][U]that doesn’t involve any die rolls[/U][/B]" So the rules tell you expressly that it's not a die roll. Your interpretation has, as usual, no value since you don't even read the rules. [/QUOTE]

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